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> This topic is harmful to people and we shouldn’t discuss it It would be so very refreshing to hear a company just say "let's not throw incendiary memos aroun
by avaer 9y ago
> This topic is harmful to people and we shouldn’t discuss it
It would be so very refreshing to hear a company just say "let's not throw incendiary memos around at work; it upsets people", instead of feeding the fire with a rationalized social stance.
Actually, I _have_ seen great CEO's defuse situations like this. I don't understand why it's not done more often.
- Aloha 9y agoI take umbrage that its actually harmful - I'd totally get behind the idea that its a gross distraction. I really believe truly that each gender (because of biology and societal gender roles) has been given some unique problems solving gifts - and that we're shoving square pegs in round holes to gloss that over - but there is no universality here - I've seen men that are amazing at 'people' problems - and women who are fantastic at 'thing' problems - gender in my opinion is just another factor - like experience, knowledge, personality, education (and even age - often in engineering older is better) and others that factor into whether someone is suitable for a role. Right now, however, we as a society are not.. 'evolved' enough to discuss stuff like this as rational adults - it turns into a very personal argument very very quickly and ends up doing more harm than the (very real, but) small good that can be accomplished by taking into account what is inherent to us.
- vanderreeah 9y agoOn the contrary, it's a sign of our "evolution" that sexist ideas like the one in your second paragraph are now increasingly subject to fierce rebuttal.
- thinkfurther 9y ago> sexist ideas like the one in your second paragraph Calling something sexist and leaving it at that isn't a rebuttal, and the more people agree with something empty, the more they have to answer for, it doesn't give a gram of weight to the thing. But you're not wrong since evolution doesn't exclude regression.
- vanderreeah 9y agoI agree my quick post was not a rebuttal, but I didn't claim it was. Edit: to say that in the light of Aloha's response, I guess my post was a rebuttal. But not a refutation... Sorry, I'm just quibbling now.
- TheAdamAndChe 9y agoIt's an issue with your previous post. If everyone here was simply commenting "you're wrong," "no, you're wrong" with no explanations, then the conversation wouldn't go anywhere and the conversation would be pointless. If you comment saying someone is wrong, please explain so others may learn from your viewpoint.
- Aloha 9y agoThere is a different between refuting (proving it wrong) and rebutting (stating it is wrong) an idea - I've seen many rebuttals, but few refutals. People being different should never be used as an brickbat to claim inferiority - all people are different, and equality is one of the most important values to be found.
- vanderreeah 9y agoTotally agree - but in my opinion, and in the knowledge that this will receive a lot of downvotes, such statements don't require refuting, only rebutting. In my opinion, again, only statements which bear at least a nugget of rationality require the expenditure of one's own rationality in the effort to refute them.
- Aloha 9y agoI can argue my statements (and the underlying memo) do have a nugget of rationality - we can debate on that. Also, I'm pleased to see you didnt take downvotes either.
- vanderreeah 9y agoYour civility is making it hard for me to pigeon-hole you as an unreasonable reactionary. Please desist.
- TheSpiceIsLife 9y agoYou do have to admit though that women have some unique problem solving skills in the field of gestating and nursing.
- scarlac 9y ago> I don't understand why it's not done more often. Regardless of what the issue was, the offended people may take further offence to being described as being upset. > Actually, I _have_ seen great CEO's defuse situations like this Which CEO? I'd love to see an example of this. Do you have a link or story to tell?