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You can nitpick the exceptions, but his general point about affluent living standards existing for 100 years in the West for most people is true.

gnaritas 9y ago
Anyone does not mean most, you may infer he meant something different but I prefer responding to what people actually say rather than what I think they meant as I'm not a mind reader and neither is anyone else and much disagreement comes from not listening to others words because you incorrectly think you know what they're trying to say. Tons of people (tens of millions) in the west continue to struggle with basic life needs, poverty is not remotely a solved problem in the west and he quite literally said it was.
andrepd 9y ago
What is most? Is it more than 50%? Then maybe, but certainly not for 100 years. Or is it the vast majority? Because GP did say "anyone" in his post. Then I'd like to quote: Almost every fourth person in the EU still experiences at least one of the three forms of poverty or social exclusion. Monetary poverty is the most widespread form of poverty, affecting 17.3 % of EU residents in 2015. Severe material deprivation and very low work intensity follow, affecting 8.1 % of the EU residents and 10.6 % of EU citizens aged 0 to 59, respectively. http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Europe_2020_indicators_-_poverty_and_social_exclusion http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/...
hueving 9y ago
If it were an exception, we wouldn't be having a debate about healthcare coverage in the US.
- malandrew 9y ago
  We will always have this debate since the scope of healthcare will continue to grow. Today advanced robotic bionic prosthetics are experimental prototypes. In 100 years, people will be arguing that access to bionic limbs should be a universal human right.
  - gnaritas 9y ago
    And they would be right to do so, because "rights" are not inherent, they're simply social agreements and are thus always up for negotiation. Nature doesn't provide people rights, people do.

gnaritas 9y ago

Anyone does not mean most, you may infer he meant something different but I prefer responding to what people actually say rather than what I think they meant as I'm not a mind reader and neither is anyone else and much disagreement comes from not listening to others words because you incorrectly think you know what they're trying to say. Tons of people (tens of millions) in the west continue to struggle with basic life needs, poverty is not remotely a solved problem in the west and he quite literally said it was.

andrepd 9y ago

What is most? Is it more than 50%? Then maybe, but certainly not for 100 years. Or is it the vast majority? Because GP did say "anyone" in his post. Then I'd like to quote: Almost every fourth person in the EU still experiences at least one of the three forms of poverty or social exclusion. Monetary poverty is the most widespread form of poverty, affecting 17.3 % of EU residents in 2015. Severe material deprivation and very low work intensity follow, affecting 8.1 % of the EU residents and 10.6 % of EU citizens aged 0 to 59, respectively. http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Europe_2020_indicators_-_poverty_and_social_exclusion http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/...

hueving 9y ago

If it were an exception, we wouldn't be having a debate about healthcare coverage in the US.

malandrew 9y ago
We will always have this debate since the scope of healthcare will continue to grow. Today advanced robotic bionic prosthetics are experimental prototypes. In 100 years, people will be arguing that access to bionic limbs should be a universal human right.
- gnaritas 9y ago
  And they would be right to do so, because "rights" are not inherent, they're simply social agreements and are thus always up for negotiation. Nature doesn't provide people rights, people do.