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It's about scientists who become activists and the politicization of science. I agree this is a bad thing, but it's not like they did that in a vacuum. It was
by abstractbill 16y ago
It's about scientists who become activists and the politicization of science.
I agree this is a bad thing, but it's not like they did that in a vacuum. It was quite clearly in reaction to activists who were already operating in the opposite direction (e.g. American politically-right-leaning Christians, for reasons I really don't understand, suddenly became very interested in climate change of all things).
- yummyfajitas 16y agoMcIntyre and McKitrick, two of the more prominent people that data was hidden from, are both Canadians. What makes you believe they are politically right leaning Christians?
- Calamitous 16y agoI think it's called "bigotry."
- abstractbill 16y agoI'm a bigot, simply for observing that a large number of politically right leaning Christians have been very interested in climate change for a long time? Wow.
- camiller 16y agoI can neither confirm or deny that you are a bigot, I'm just surprised that the FOI request forms have a box for religion. Can you send along your dataset?
- abstractbill 16y agoWhat makes you believe they are politically right leaning Christians? Point to the place in my comment where I said that. I specifically said "e.g". This means "for example". Nowhere in my comment did I make the claim that all people requesting data were American politically right leaning Christians. I simply observed that they had been involved for a long time.
- yummyfajitas 16y agoYou said that the CRU folks withholding data "...was quite clearly in reaction to activists who were already operating in the opposite direction (e.g. American politically-right-leaning Christians...". The hacked emails suggest it was quite clearly in reaction to McIntyre and McKitrick (MM, as the CRU folks called them). Are you suggesting that the CRU folks withheld data from two Canadians because they were afraid that some right wing American Christians might, in the future, also request data? You didn't clarify in your previous post that the activists operating in the opposite direction were hypothetical.
- abstractbill 16y agoYou said that the CRU folks withheld data in reaction to activists. No, I did not say that. I should have known better than to participate on this thread - I'm going to stop now. I really don't enjoy being called a bigot. [Edit: You edited your comment after I replied - my original quoting is correct. Ok, I'm really stopping now].
- yummyfajitas 16y agoI did, but I don't think my edit changes the content of my post.
- Calamitous 16y agoFrankly, if you don't enjoy being called one, you shouldn't talk like one. If I started talking like a racist, I think I'd have to expect some people to make assumptions about me, regardless of my actual feelings on the matter. [Edit: grammar goofball]
- hugh3 16y agoChristianity is irrelevant, but it is true that climate skepticism tends to be more popular on the political right. Why is this? Because "climate change" is being used as a justification for left-wing economic policies. It is only natural that if you say "my computer model predicts that we should rob Peter to pay Paul" that Peter is going to wind up looking more skeptically upon your computer model than Paul is.
- CWuestefeld 16y agoSo? It sounds to me like you're working towards an argument of "they escalated to this level, so we had no choice but to follow suit". That is absolutely not a valid argument, either morally or in terms of logic.
- abstractbill 16y agoCertainly not. It was an observation, not a defense.