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Cool project! Given that the whole point of the tool is that it's a tiling terminal app, I'd appreciate a few more screenshots on the page or in the readme sho

Cool project! Given that the whole point of the tool is that it's a tiling terminal app, I'd appreciate a few more screenshots on the page or in the readme showing the different ways it lets me organise my terminals. I'm a big fan of Gnome's design with the unified title and toolbars. For a terminal app such as this, however, the fat title bar combined with the tab bar make for a fairly large and heavy looking header. I wish it was a little more compact.

_jordan 9y ago
I have always found Gnome's design to be horrible - the goal of the windowing system and desktop environment is to direct as much attention as possible to the application in focus; to be absolutely as minimal as possible to get the job done. This is also why I feel the osx dock is atrocious.
- trymas 9y ago
  You can hide the os x dock. And with spotlight - you can almost forget it exists..
  - mercer 9y ago
    Indeed! Most power-users I know (and more than one non-computery-person) completely disregard the dock. The only reason I ever look at the dock is to open minimized windows, and even for that I usually opt for the 'see all windows of current app' gesture. That said, the dock is very useful for most tech-illiterate people I know.
    - gurkendoktor 9y ago
      I guess it depends on which apps you use, but I consider myself a power user and I regularly drag files onto Kaleidoscope in my Dock to diff them, or I right-click Dock icons to quickly re-open recent files with a single mouse gesture. It's all pretty efficient.
      - mercer 9y ago
        Fair point. I'm the command-line and use-vim-keybindings-for-all-the-things type person, which often clashes with all the reasons why I'm an Apple fan (slightly abashed these days) and fascinated with UX. I actually often find myself discovering interesting, hidden OSX 'solutions' to things even now, as a power user, and after using it for more than five years. I never discovered them before because my 'default' would be to go to iTerm2 for a quicker approach. For example, I find myself switching between Finder and iTerm2(+zsh) quite regularly when my need is to navigate folders/directories and/or quickly CRUD files. And yet, I was also fully aware of the OSX Finder keyboard shortcut 'SHIFT-CMD-G' to jump to a directory from within Finder. I never really used it. Just last week I decided to use the Finder keyboard shortcut more regularly, and I feel the end result is a boost in productivity, however tiny and ultimately insignificant it may be. There's a certain friction between using the command-line and OSX' GUI that just disappeared for many of my common use cases (CRUD files and directories with sublime text or vim). Exploring iTerm's extra features (toolbelt, profiles), but also discovering tmux and how iTerm integrates with it, are similar 'tucked away' things that 'fuse' power-user and normal-user interfaces, and that I only discovered in the past months. I'm not sure why I apparently feel drawn to making a strict dichotomy between CLI and OSX usage that causes me to be blind to these in-between cases, but thanks for reminding me. I'd never have thought to use the 'recent files' lists in the dock. Just a cursory glance makes me suspect I'll be using it quite a bit going forward!
tapoxi 9y ago
I feel like people have been complaining about the massive GNOME 3 title bars for at least six years, but the GNOME design team seems incredibly stubborn and unwilling to listen to feedback.
- dsr_ 9y ago
  The GNOME design team is like that about everything. They believe that their way is best... until the next major version, whereupon their new way is best. In any case, they aren't interested in providing choice for users with different tastes. Either you like what they give you, or you should go elsewhere. I went elsewhere. XFCE is still pretty configurable.
- rvern 9y ago
  You think so? https://blogs.gnome.org/aday/2014/08/27/gnome-design-saving-you-space-since-2009-or-so/ https://blogs.gnome.org/aday/2014/08/27/gnome-design-saving-...
  - tapoxi 9y ago
    But this post compares against GNOME 2.x, which was equally awful about wasting space. It doesn't compare against Windows or OS X, which are much better with screen real estate and let you easily hide the taskbar or dock to recover more.
    - rvern 9y ago
      From the blog post: > What’s more, today’s Nautilus compares favourably with file managers from other operating systems/desktop environments. KDE’s Dolphin uses 109 vertical pixels of chrome compared with Nautilus’s 48. Finder in the upcoming OS X version seems to have around 75 pixels.
gnunn 9y ago
Tilix has an option to control the terminal titlebars style to make it smaller or hide it completely. One of the screenshots on the web page shows it without the terminal title bar.
vidarh 9y ago
It's quite sad that I mostly lost interest when I saw it mentioned Gnome, because my experience is with Gnome is that either it will take too much space, or if I like it they will systematically take away the options that makes it possible for me to make it work the way I want.
- mgbmtl 9y ago
  Gnome is relatively easy to customize with CSS (at least in recent versions, I think after 3.20). I wrote some quick notes about it here: https://www.bidon.ca/fr/random/2017-02-25-customizing-gnome-shell-3-20 https://www.bidon.ca/fr/random/2017-02-25-customizing-gnome-... It also has an inspector, so you can find the right class name as you would when doing CSS in a browser. I have to admit that I also tried developing an extension (https://github.com/mlutfy/hidetopbar https://github.com/mlutfy/hidetopbar), which I found hard, but someone else took over maintenance and he's been doing a really good job. Has a few active contributors too. (after 10 years on fvwm, I re-tested every w-m out there, before giving up and adopting Gnome3.. happy since)
  - vidarh 9y ago
    Interesting, but it looks like that depends on running gnome-shell? The instructions there for triggering the inspector doesn't seem to work for gnome-terminal for me for example (not that I tried very hard to debug why), running under i3wm. Running gnome-shell itself just isn't something I'd consider - I want my tiling wm.
    - mgbmtl 9y ago
      I think it should work for all GTK applications. This page has a few more tips: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GTK+/Inspector https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GTK+/Inspector

_jordan 9y ago

I have always found Gnome's design to be horrible - the goal of the windowing system and desktop environment is to direct as much attention as possible to the application in focus; to be absolutely as minimal as possible to get the job done. This is also why I feel the osx dock is atrocious.

trymas 9y ago
You can hide the os x dock. And with spotlight - you can almost forget it exists..
- mercer 9y ago
  Indeed! Most power-users I know (and more than one non-computery-person) completely disregard the dock. The only reason I ever look at the dock is to open minimized windows, and even for that I usually opt for the 'see all windows of current app' gesture. That said, the dock is very useful for most tech-illiterate people I know.
  - gurkendoktor 9y ago
    I guess it depends on which apps you use, but I consider myself a power user and I regularly drag files onto Kaleidoscope in my Dock to diff them, or I right-click Dock icons to quickly re-open recent files with a single mouse gesture. It's all pretty efficient.
    - mercer 9y ago
      Fair point. I'm the command-line and use-vim-keybindings-for-all-the-things type person, which often clashes with all the reasons why I'm an Apple fan (slightly abashed these days) and fascinated with UX. I actually often find myself discovering interesting, hidden OSX 'solutions' to things even now, as a power user, and after using it for more than five years. I never discovered them before because my 'default' would be to go to iTerm2 for a quicker approach. For example, I find myself switching between Finder and iTerm2(+zsh) quite regularly when my need is to navigate folders/directories and/or quickly CRUD files. And yet, I was also fully aware of the OSX Finder keyboard shortcut 'SHIFT-CMD-G' to jump to a directory from within Finder. I never really used it. Just last week I decided to use the Finder keyboard shortcut more regularly, and I feel the end result is a boost in productivity, however tiny and ultimately insignificant it may be. There's a certain friction between using the command-line and OSX' GUI that just disappeared for many of my common use cases (CRUD files and directories with sublime text or vim). Exploring iTerm's extra features (toolbelt, profiles), but also discovering tmux and how iTerm integrates with it, are similar 'tucked away' things that 'fuse' power-user and normal-user interfaces, and that I only discovered in the past months. I'm not sure why I apparently feel drawn to making a strict dichotomy between CLI and OSX usage that causes me to be blind to these in-between cases, but thanks for reminding me. I'd never have thought to use the 'recent files' lists in the dock. Just a cursory glance makes me suspect I'll be using it quite a bit going forward!

tapoxi 9y ago

I feel like people have been complaining about the massive GNOME 3 title bars for at least six years, but the GNOME design team seems incredibly stubborn and unwilling to listen to feedback.

dsr_ 9y ago
The GNOME design team is like that about everything. They believe that their way is best... until the next major version, whereupon their new way is best. In any case, they aren't interested in providing choice for users with different tastes. Either you like what they give you, or you should go elsewhere. I went elsewhere. XFCE is still pretty configurable.
rvern 9y ago
You think so? https://blogs.gnome.org/aday/2014/08/27/gnome-design-saving-you-space-since-2009-or-so/ https://blogs.gnome.org/aday/2014/08/27/gnome-design-saving-...
- tapoxi 9y ago
  But this post compares against GNOME 2.x, which was equally awful about wasting space. It doesn't compare against Windows or OS X, which are much better with screen real estate and let you easily hide the taskbar or dock to recover more.
  - rvern 9y ago
    From the blog post: > What’s more, today’s Nautilus compares favourably with file managers from other operating systems/desktop environments. KDE’s Dolphin uses 109 vertical pixels of chrome compared with Nautilus’s 48. Finder in the upcoming OS X version seems to have around 75 pixels.

gnunn 9y ago

Tilix has an option to control the terminal titlebars style to make it smaller or hide it completely. One of the screenshots on the web page shows it without the terminal title bar.

vidarh 9y ago

It's quite sad that I mostly lost interest when I saw it mentioned Gnome, because my experience is with Gnome is that either it will take too much space, or if I like it they will systematically take away the options that makes it possible for me to make it work the way I want.

mgbmtl 9y ago
Gnome is relatively easy to customize with CSS (at least in recent versions, I think after 3.20). I wrote some quick notes about it here: https://www.bidon.ca/fr/random/2017-02-25-customizing-gnome-shell-3-20 https://www.bidon.ca/fr/random/2017-02-25-customizing-gnome-... It also has an inspector, so you can find the right class name as you would when doing CSS in a browser. I have to admit that I also tried developing an extension (https://github.com/mlutfy/hidetopbar https://github.com/mlutfy/hidetopbar), which I found hard, but someone else took over maintenance and he's been doing a really good job. Has a few active contributors too. (after 10 years on fvwm, I re-tested every w-m out there, before giving up and adopting Gnome3.. happy since)
- vidarh 9y ago
  Interesting, but it looks like that depends on running gnome-shell? The instructions there for triggering the inspector doesn't seem to work for gnome-terminal for me for example (not that I tried very hard to debug why), running under i3wm. Running gnome-shell itself just isn't something I'd consider - I want my tiling wm.
  - mgbmtl 9y ago
    I think it should work for all GTK applications. This page has a few more tips: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GTK+/Inspector https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GTK+/Inspector