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Show HN: Kozmos – A Personal Library
- crookshanked 9y agoIs it possible to get a bookmarklet instead of a browser extension?
- Gys 9y agoSeems you will charge for usage in the future ? No mentioning of a free tier ? No pricing ? I generally do not sign up for anything that is not clear on that.
- roadbeats 9y agoHi, private bookmarking will always be free. The second phase of Kozmos will have "public collections", for example, we will be able to create a "Best Boutique Hotels in Istanbul" collection, and this will be only available for paid users. This is Kozmos' business model but I haven't explained it in the site, because collections aren't implemented yet.
- michaelmior 9y ago> Kozmos will add your browser the button, so you can bookmark easily. Should be something like "Kozmos will add a button to your browser..." Also, the onboarding seems buggy. I was asked to add the extension twice and then got stuck at a loading screen. Having an import feature is nice, but what format are the files supposed to be in? Just a list of URLs? If so, where do the names of the bookmarks come from? Edit: I tried importing an HTML export of my bookmarks from Chrome which Kozmos seems to try to support. The import fails though with a 500 from the API and some additional JS errors.
- roadbeats 9y agoHi, I've just tested it, import service works. Would you mind sending your bookmarks to me and I'll figure out if something in the file makes the service fails; azer@roadbeats.com
- michaelmior 9y agoUnfortunately, I don't think you can say it works when a simple HTML import fails with no error message and the UI just hangs up. I'm not doubting that it works for you, but I think the bar for "works" is higher when you're trying to build a product. Emailed you the file that fails for me and hopefully you'll be able to find a solution.
- roadbeats 9y agoThank you for sending your bookmarks, haven't received it yet, is it a large file ?
- michaelmior 9y agoNo, it's only ~500KB.
- roadbeats 9y agoIt was a nasty nginx permissions error, thank you so much letting me know so I solved it.
- michaelmior 9y agoIt does look like it's working now, although I see the speed shows as "B/MS". Shouldn't this be "BM/S"? The speed also seems to be useless as it says 336 B/MS but I only have ~1000 bookmarks and I've been sitting on the page for several minutes.
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- roadbeats 9y agoThanks everyone upvoted! It may look like a simple website but I spent a lot of time on this project :) Besides of programming, I shot that little video [1] in homepage, it was my first time to do voice-over :) I created a invite code for HN, so you can sign up without wait; https://getkozmos.com/signup?code=HNEWS https://getkozmos.com/signup?code=HNEWS Here is some brief info for HN users. It's built on Go, Elastic Search and (Pr)eact. The extensions use IndexedDB [2] to create a database [3] that users read/write, and that database gets synced with Kozmos servers. This makes Kozmos' like button work consistently, even when Kozmos is down or user has bad / no connection. How will Kozmos monetize ? Kozmos will always be free for bookmarking privately. In the next version, I'll introduce public collections which users can use for creating nicely organized bookmark collections, and this feature will be available for only paid users. For more details, I wrote a blog post; https://medium.com/@azerbike/introducing-kozmos-a-new-bookmarking-platform-75f4df448ccc https://medium.com/@azerbike/introducing-kozmos-a-new-bookma... Thank you, Azer 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs_OOQaJRfQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs_OOQaJRfQ 2. https://github.com/azer/indexeddb https://github.com/azer/indexeddb 3. https://github.com/kozmos/likedb https://github.com/kozmos/likedb
- btown 9y agoHow are you doing the classification with ElasticSearch? Are you hardcoding keywords for different preset categories, such as blogs/music, or are you doing some kind of machine learning to figure out what each person's relevant categories are?
- roadbeats 9y agoI extract keywords from the meta tags and open graph contents.
- mistermann 9y agoAny chance you might add the ability for manual tags? It's a must have for me.
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- slenk 9y agoI didn't see a place where I could actually put in an invite code?
- roadbeats 9y agoIt's in the sign up form; https://getkozmos.com/signup https://getkozmos.com/signup
- atroyn 9y agoThere are strong critics of free bookmarking sites (@Pinboard in particular). Their main criticism is that without a revenue model, users will eventually lose their bookmarks. What's your plan?
- duxup 9y agoI wondered the same thing. I assume I'm the product (my data) if it is free, but the site also talks about privacy.
- roadbeats 9y agoKozmos will be always free for private bookmarking, and there'll be a paid account for creating public collections in the second phase. Copying the details from my another comment here; "The second phase of Kozmos will have "public collections", for example, we will be able to create a "Best Boutique Hotels in Istanbul" collection, and this will be only available for paid users. This is Kozmos' business model but I haven't explained it in the site, because collections aren't implemented yet."
- atroyn 9y agoWho is the target customer for this feature? Do I pay to make collections, to view them, or both? If I have to pay to view them, what would make me want to do that? If I have to pay to make them, why would I want to?
- rukenshia 9y agojust registered and installed the extension. do I always need to go to the website manually to view my bookmarks or is there a navigation point i'm missing in the extension?
- exceptione 9y agojfyi: site is broken. Apparently requires third party cookies.
- roadbeats 9y agoIt has no links to any third party other than Google Analytics.
- exceptione 9y agoThis is a very strange case. policy | outcome -----------------------+-------------------- deny all cookies BAD white screen allow first-party-only BAD white screen allow all cookies GOOD working site I think it has something to do with the embedded youtube video.
- raybb 9y agoWhat's your main differentiation from a service like Pocket?
- colecut 9y agoFirst thing that caught me is, pocket doesn't auto-categorize as a free feature
- raybb 9y agoDo you plan on offering an API to add links?
- fiatjaf 9y agoStop asking for this kind of thing, please.
- sah2ed 9y agoMind if I ask why you feel strongly about such a request? Afterall, Pinboard.in also offers an API.
- detaro 9y agoYou really should provide some reasoning if you ask people to not voice their feature requests on Show HN. (FWIW, not having an API is a dealbreaker for a bookmarking service in my eyes)
- fiatjaf 9y agoThe things was launched yesterday by a single person. Of course there will be an API, but do not ask for one as if it was the most important feature, the most needed, the most urgent one. Also, when you ask for an API (I don't know if it was you who asked) you don't give some reasoning on why you think such feature is needed, so why are you asking me that?
- roadbeats 9y agoYes, I do :)
- jolmg 9y agoSomething to note is that keypresses are often ignored in (all?) text fields. Like, I can't type "google.com" without having to repress at least 2 keys. EDIT: There's been 2 cases where I've noticed the character is added but then subsequently deleted in the next instant. Typing faster causes more characters to go missing, and I have to type like 1 keypress a second to type "google.com" correctly.
- roadbeats 9y agoAre you also a Windows user ? I can't figure out what's wrong as I only got OSX and Linux. Here is the Preact component I use for Input fields; https://gist.github.com/azer/87e6919fc24ad08839e01b1ee3158b45 https://gist.github.com/azer/87e6919fc24ad08839e01b1ee3158b4...
- jastanton 9y agoI've been tossing around the idea of what a bookmarking solution would look like that would save a cache of the current page and possibly surrounding pages. Maybe even have the ability to highlight or make notes on the page directly. The use case would be bookmarking a page that is later updated and I was never really sure why I bookmarked it in the first place. Or possibly bookmarking pages behind a login screen.
- ghthor 9y agoPretty much should be how bookmarks work anyway. The point of bookmarking is an intention to return. If the site is down or your network fails a bookmarked page should still work.
- WhiteOwlLion 9y agoWho remembers Starbuck's Kozmo.com that offered free delivery? Burned through money faster than WebVan!
- demygale 9y agoThe documentary e-Dreams covers the demise of Kozmo. Highly recommended.
- iuguy 9y agoNot wanting to steal roadbeats' lunch, but as the source isn't available, if anyone wants a self-hosted solution, Wallabag 2.0 is pretty awesome[1]. [1] - https://wallabag.org/en https://wallabag.org/en
- j_s 9y agoWallabag: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14686882 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14686882 Bookmarking: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14064096 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14064096 Tools: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14688496 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14688496
- fusiongyro 9y agoI'm using fetching.io, which is a paid service, but it also seems like the work of one guy, and we don't use the same browsers, so I'm ambivalent about it.
- WhiteOwlLion 9y agoI just use WorldBrain (Chrome extension). It is based on Falcon, but you perform quicksearch (wb keyword) against your history and bookmarks.
- occultist_throw 9y agoI first thought it was neat. Personal library, like how Streama is a personal Netflix. Then I saw it's another service owned and controlled by someone else. Don't get me wrong, I don't know you, and im not going to assume bad behavior. But this is a treasure trove of data, and you cannot guarantee that if acquired, another party wouldn't exploit it. If it were local or on a machine I controlled, then I could guarantee data security and privacy. Enough of my life is on the "cloud" controlled by interests that are different, and sometimes oppositional to mine. Thank you, but no.
- roadbeats 9y agoKozmos saves your bookmarks into your browser first, then syncs with its server. And the database it creates in your browser is open source; https://github.com/kozmos/likedb https://github.com/kozmos/likedb You can hack it the way you'd like.
- occultist_throw 9y agoLike I said, I'm not ascribing any sort of nefarious or dastardly actions by you. It's more of a gut reaction of the idea of "Cloud everything". I'd be much more interested in running my own backend, than frontend db. Yeah, I'm a control freak, I guess. But at least my data stays mine.
- mxuribe 9y agoI agree. In fact, i like it when new products/services offer the option to self-host for free (because code is open source), as well as the option where I can pay them to host it for me (along with a little included support). In my mind, companies that don't offer both, sort of get lumped in with the googles, microsofts, apples, facebooks, snapchats, etc. of the world. Much like other commentaries, I'm not assuming automatic nefarious behavior, but providing options like i noted above, sure goes a long way in building confidence and happy customer relations.
- joeldg 9y agodel.icio.us was like this back in the day..
- mattj 9y agoThis is great - the like / heart button is really slick, and I love how it doesn't get in the way at all. I've used pinboard and others in the past, and the (relatively) heavier bookmarking flow would often stop me from saving things as I didn't want to break my flow. Excited to see where this ends up!
- jaytaylor 9y agoBeautiful and very seamless slick registration + extension install experience. You deserve full marks imho!
- mcemilg 9y agoThe project is great! I think it needs to Machine Learning...
- shade23 9y agoCan I make a backup and export/import my bookmarks here?
- salpalpable 9y agoWhat's the trick to getting search to work on non-webpages? I couldn't find any keywords that would pull up PDFs, including elements of their bookmark name.
- FelipeCortez 9y agoI find it weird how every bookmarking service lacks a high density list format like how browsers display it. It frustrated me so much I just made my own https://felipecortez.net/marks/felipecortez/tag/people+design/ https://felipecortez.net/marks/felipecortez/tag/people+desig...
- mikojan 9y agoHere's an honest to god question: Why are you storing your bookmarks on some random person's server? From a privacy POV it appears quite questionable, so what is the upside? (I never once in my life thought "damn I don't have that exact URL of THING bookmarked in SPECIFIC DEVICE.)
- holychiz 9y agosearch seems to need a lot more works. Typeahead would be nice but partial match is sorely needed, eg. bus should bring up links on business and bus schedule.