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Problem is most of this subject has been in public debate for decades, centuries even. The people trying to maintain the status quo are never going to give it u

Problem is most of this subject has been in public debate for decades, centuries even. The people trying to maintain the status quo are never going to give it up willingly. They're always going to cry when change comes and they aren't ready for it (IE when they're dead). At some point the debate has to be reasonably over and action expected. And some subjects don't have middle ground. Women being treated less than equal isn't a middle ground sort of issue. There are already sides, there have been sides forever. People being pushed or pulled one way or another isn't a new phenomena. And there's no amount of public debate and middle ground treading you can do to prevent people who are going to be polarized as of the result of any backlash of their already fringe beliefs. That's inevitable. And the gymnastics required to keep them in the middle just aren't worth it. The actual goal is the thing of value for the people pushing for it. Not appeasing ignorance and bigotry just enough to keep them pacified.

mistermann 9y ago
> And some subjects don't have middle ground. Women being treated less than equal isn't a middle ground sort of issue. Which is why you need to have ongoing discussion, to determine if people are or are not being treated less equally. People who believe they are "right" but are unable or unwilling to defend that position with words ("the debate is over") should not be trusted, ever.
- KirinDave 9y ago
  > People who believe they are "right" but are unable or unwilling to defend that position with words ("the debate is over") should not be trusted, ever. So what you're saying is the debate is over about the intentions of people saying the debate is over?
  - mistermann 9y ago
    Haha, that's a nice turn of words. Well, assuming you're serious, what's your thoughts on that? Can we have any absolutes? Or is everything indeterminate? If nothing is knowable and communication is not possible shall we stop sending our children to school and go back to living in caves?

mistermann 9y ago

> And some subjects don't have middle ground. Women being treated less than equal isn't a middle ground sort of issue. Which is why you need to have ongoing discussion, to determine if people are or are not being treated less equally. People who believe they are "right" but are unable or unwilling to defend that position with words ("the debate is over") should not be trusted, ever.

KirinDave 9y ago
> People who believe they are "right" but are unable or unwilling to defend that position with words ("the debate is over") should not be trusted, ever. So what you're saying is the debate is over about the intentions of people saying the debate is over?
- mistermann 9y ago
  Haha, that's a nice turn of words. Well, assuming you're serious, what's your thoughts on that? Can we have any absolutes? Or is everything indeterminate? If nothing is knowable and communication is not possible shall we stop sending our children to school and go back to living in caves?