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Added: http://pgl.yoyo.org/adservers/details.php?hostname=functionalclam.com http://pgl.yoyo.org/adservers/details.php?hostname=functiona...

by pgl 9y ago

thinkMOAR 9y ago
So you just list it because it was on another list, without gathering any proof yourself? What a great list you maintain. Also slightly disappointing you take PayPal donations, if any party is nasty in the ad industry... it is them.
- pgl 9y ago
  No. I went to the site first, which explicitly states that it's being used as a tracking domain. Then I added it.
  - mobilemidget 9y ago
    Could you please elaborate where it mentions that it is used a tracking domain? Because I can read, and I don't read anything like this. It does mention it records metrics to help understanding and authorising access to their site and copyrighted content. Afaik this is called logging; not tracking.
    - yjftsjthsd-h 9y ago
      In the modern world, logging should be treated as tracking, because it usually is.
      - thinkMOAR 9y ago
        So you would favour blocking all sites and services that do any logging? I suggest you cancel your ISP membership if you really don't want to be logged anywhere. Basically any sane site owner/operator logs access request to his or her site. Certain security policies like PCI also force parties in payment industry to log everything. Why then don't block PayPal? All credit card processors? If you think logging is the same as tracking. At least then be consistent about it. Though this was just a shameless plug by that blocklist operator. The url was the topic, he shows that he is is 'bad ass' and just lists it because it was removed at another party via DMCA (claimed by OP). Then says the site EXPLICITLY mentions it does tracking, while it doesn't show this at all. Those blacklists have a very few unique parties that actually properly collect and maintain a list of urls. The rest just copies the others. Parties like pi-hole etc don't contribute anything, but integrate and copy years old blacklists of each other and then claim to be some internet saviour. If you really care about the connections you have outgoing, use proper egress filtering. (little snitch like apps e.g.) This way you will filter everything, and not just the list of urls that are known by those list maintainers. If i was that party i'd consider legal actions. And dont read 'i say it doesnt do tracking', i say it doesnt mention it at all on the site, something the blacklist operator does claim. I prefer people have proper proof before claiming something and blacklisting a party.
        yjftsjthsd-h 9y ago
        As with any issue of security and privacy, there are tradeoffs. > So you would favour blocking all sites and services that do any logging? I make an effort to block as many as I can without breaking the page I'm trying to visit, yes. Usually this means having umatrix block about half the requests from a site. > If you think logging is the same as tracking. Logging by an analytics company, yes. And I do block those; Google is the most common, but this one counts. > Parties like pi-hole etc don't contribute anything This is a separate topic, but: Usability counts.
        thinkMOAR 9y ago
        Still my point about the reason for the operator to list the url stands. There is no evidence on that page that says its used in such way, and thats' what reason is mentioned for listing it. And i think that's bad. If he had some proof of network traffic etc, showing tracking via this url, you would not see a comment by me. But stating they explicitly mention something, and its not there... Again could still be used for tracking.. but it certainly doesn't say so. Usability, thats another topic indeed :) usability, should NEVER compromise quality! And over years of dealing with many of them, i cannot give them any credit for their quality. Certainly not when i realised, found out, there are only a handful of 'original' source lists. And the rest 95% just blindly copies and appends from others, and never bother to revalidate their own list. Regardless, this seems to become an endless loop, so lets exit() and i wish all a nice weekend!
    - pgl 9y ago
      I consider it tracking if a domain is used to log data about users from multiple sites, for a tracking company.
      - mobilemidget 9y ago
        https://blog.getadmiral.com/dmca-easylist-adblock-copyright-access-control-admiral-10-things-to-know/ https://blog.getadmiral.com/dmca-easylist-adblock-copyright-... so.. mr quality control, are you going to remove it again?
      - mobilemidget 9y ago
        Maybe, just a suggestion, also monitor the list of urls you provide. So many are no longer existing... Maybe if you want to provide this service, try to keep a certain quality. That includes not listing things willy nilly because YOU think there is proper reason. At some point there will be a party that will call your efforts, in case you keep listing things without proof/reason, defamation or libel...
        pgl 9y ago
        I do monitor the list. A script runs weekly that checks the validity of hosts in the list, and removes them after a number of failed checks. You can see failed checks in the details of a specific entry (eg: https://pgl.yoyo.org/adservers/details.php?hostname=addealing.com https://pgl.yoyo.org/adservers/details.php?hostname=addealin...). I don't list things willy nilly. See here for the policy: https://pgl.yoyo.org/adservers/policy.php https://pgl.yoyo.org/adservers/policy.php.

Added: http://pgl.yoyo.org/adservers/details.php?hostname=functionalclam.com http://pgl.yoyo.org/adservers/details.php?hostname=functiona...

by pgl 9y ago

Added: http://pgl.yoyo.org/adservers/details.php?hostname=functionalclam.com http://pgl.yoyo.org/adservers/details.php?hostname=functiona...

thinkMOAR 9y ago

So you just list it because it was on another list, without gathering any proof yourself? What a great list you maintain. Also slightly disappointing you take PayPal donations, if any party is nasty in the ad industry... it is them.

pgl 9y ago
No. I went to the site first, which explicitly states that it's being used as a tracking domain. Then I added it.
- mobilemidget 9y ago
  Could you please elaborate where it mentions that it is used a tracking domain? Because I can read, and I don't read anything like this. It does mention it records metrics to help understanding and authorising access to their site and copyrighted content. Afaik this is called logging; not tracking.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 9y ago
    In the modern world, logging should be treated as tracking, because it usually is.
    - thinkMOAR 9y ago
      So you would favour blocking all sites and services that do any logging? I suggest you cancel your ISP membership if you really don't want to be logged anywhere. Basically any sane site owner/operator logs access request to his or her site. Certain security policies like PCI also force parties in payment industry to log everything. Why then don't block PayPal? All credit card processors? If you think logging is the same as tracking. At least then be consistent about it. Though this was just a shameless plug by that blocklist operator. The url was the topic, he shows that he is is 'bad ass' and just lists it because it was removed at another party via DMCA (claimed by OP). Then says the site EXPLICITLY mentions it does tracking, while it doesn't show this at all. Those blacklists have a very few unique parties that actually properly collect and maintain a list of urls. The rest just copies the others. Parties like pi-hole etc don't contribute anything, but integrate and copy years old blacklists of each other and then claim to be some internet saviour. If you really care about the connections you have outgoing, use proper egress filtering. (little snitch like apps e.g.) This way you will filter everything, and not just the list of urls that are known by those list maintainers. If i was that party i'd consider legal actions. And dont read 'i say it doesnt do tracking', i say it doesnt mention it at all on the site, something the blacklist operator does claim. I prefer people have proper proof before claiming something and blacklisting a party.
      - yjftsjthsd-h 9y ago
        As with any issue of security and privacy, there are tradeoffs. > So you would favour blocking all sites and services that do any logging? I make an effort to block as many as I can without breaking the page I'm trying to visit, yes. Usually this means having umatrix block about half the requests from a site. > If you think logging is the same as tracking. Logging by an analytics company, yes. And I do block those; Google is the most common, but this one counts. > Parties like pi-hole etc don't contribute anything This is a separate topic, but: Usability counts.
        thinkMOAR 9y ago
        Still my point about the reason for the operator to list the url stands. There is no evidence on that page that says its used in such way, and thats' what reason is mentioned for listing it. And i think that's bad. If he had some proof of network traffic etc, showing tracking via this url, you would not see a comment by me. But stating they explicitly mention something, and its not there... Again could still be used for tracking.. but it certainly doesn't say so. Usability, thats another topic indeed :) usability, should NEVER compromise quality! And over years of dealing with many of them, i cannot give them any credit for their quality. Certainly not when i realised, found out, there are only a handful of 'original' source lists. And the rest 95% just blindly copies and appends from others, and never bother to revalidate their own list. Regardless, this seems to become an endless loop, so lets exit() and i wish all a nice weekend!
  - pgl 9y ago
    I consider it tracking if a domain is used to log data about users from multiple sites, for a tracking company.
    - mobilemidget 9y ago
      https://blog.getadmiral.com/dmca-easylist-adblock-copyright-access-control-admiral-10-things-to-know/ https://blog.getadmiral.com/dmca-easylist-adblock-copyright-... so.. mr quality control, are you going to remove it again?
    - mobilemidget 9y ago
      Maybe, just a suggestion, also monitor the list of urls you provide. So many are no longer existing... Maybe if you want to provide this service, try to keep a certain quality. That includes not listing things willy nilly because YOU think there is proper reason. At some point there will be a party that will call your efforts, in case you keep listing things without proof/reason, defamation or libel...
      - pgl 9y ago
        I do monitor the list. A script runs weekly that checks the validity of hosts in the list, and removes them after a number of failed checks. You can see failed checks in the details of a specific entry (eg: https://pgl.yoyo.org/adservers/details.php?hostname=addealing.com https://pgl.yoyo.org/adservers/details.php?hostname=addealin...). I don't list things willy nilly. See here for the policy: https://pgl.yoyo.org/adservers/policy.php https://pgl.yoyo.org/adservers/policy.php.