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I don't understand your point. Mine is that being attacked should not change one's ideas. Getting fired is bad, but it isn't new information pertinent to the or

I don't understand your point. Mine is that being attacked should not change one's ideas. Getting fired is bad, but it isn't new information pertinent to the original debate. It may inform your ideas about the climate in which the debate is occurring, which may radicalize you personally. It shouldn't radicalize your position.

thinkfurther 9y ago
"Getting fired" is a bit of an euphemism though, there is a lot more going on here than just that. Just start with Gizmodo leaving out some stuff at first and so on. The claim is that he is being treated unfairly, at the least. > It shouldn't radicalize your position. In some fantasy world, where marijuana being illegal didn't make a single person try harder drugs because shady types were the only ones they could get weed from, and so on. Where a person is somehow separate from a position they hold. I think people shouldn't steal. Reasonable, yes? Hacking off the hand of someone who stole some bubble gum is not so reasonable and much more radical. If you can somehow treat someone so badly for suggesting stealing is not okay that they harbor murderous thoughts about thieves, does that now mean the original idea of stealing being bad is not reasonable? I don't know who is to judge a person for their reaction to mistreatment, but never the ones doing or excusing the mistreatment, that is for super fucking sure. But even granting that this is no excuse to go off the deep end, which I did; to focus on that, instead of the original action without which the debate about the reaction to it would be completely moot is not okay, and that is my point. There can be only bad results from this, that is the takeaway. If people downstream from this could alleviate this a bit by being saints is besides the point.
- scandox 9y ago
  Well I didn't mean to imply "you" - I meant "one's" position. Hopefully it didn't come across in any way personal.
  - thinkfurther 9y ago
    No worries, I did get that, I also find "your position" much easier to write (and read) than "one's position".
thinkfurther 9y ago
FWIW, I totally disagree with this comment being downvoted. It's a fair response made in good faith, very polite even seeing that I did come on kinda strong. So thanks for being a good sport about me ranting.

thinkfurther 9y ago

"Getting fired" is a bit of an euphemism though, there is a lot more going on here than just that. Just start with Gizmodo leaving out some stuff at first and so on. The claim is that he is being treated unfairly, at the least. > It shouldn't radicalize your position. In some fantasy world, where marijuana being illegal didn't make a single person try harder drugs because shady types were the only ones they could get weed from, and so on. Where a person is somehow separate from a position they hold. I think people shouldn't steal. Reasonable, yes? Hacking off the hand of someone who stole some bubble gum is not so reasonable and much more radical. If you can somehow treat someone so badly for suggesting stealing is not okay that they harbor murderous thoughts about thieves, does that now mean the original idea of stealing being bad is not reasonable? I don't know who is to judge a person for their reaction to mistreatment, but never the ones doing or excusing the mistreatment, that is for super fucking sure. But even granting that this is no excuse to go off the deep end, which I did; to focus on that, instead of the original action without which the debate about the reaction to it would be completely moot is not okay, and that is my point. There can be only bad results from this, that is the takeaway. If people downstream from this could alleviate this a bit by being saints is besides the point.

scandox 9y ago
Well I didn't mean to imply "you" - I meant "one's" position. Hopefully it didn't come across in any way personal.
- thinkfurther 9y ago
  No worries, I did get that, I also find "your position" much easier to write (and read) than "one's position".

thinkfurther 9y ago

FWIW, I totally disagree with this comment being downvoted. It's a fair response made in good faith, very polite even seeing that I did come on kinda strong. So thanks for being a good sport about me ranting.