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Disagreeing with Damore’s arguments is perfectly ok. Not liking the style of his memo is perfectly ok. Calling Damore young and clueless is useless ad hominem

Disagreeing with Damore’s arguments is perfectly ok. Not liking the style of his memo is perfectly ok. Calling Damore young and clueless is useless ad hominem. Chances are he is smarter than you and me and the memo is actually well sourced. Calling him a WHITE MAN is an essentialism that reveals the author's bias.

pmlnr 9y ago
This. To respond to that manifesto, to argue, talk, discuss, write a similarly well organised response.
- kuschku 9y ago
  Please try doing that to every internet troll out there, if you have the time. Most of the population don't, and at some point just have to dismiss some ridiculous arguments instead of discussing every single badly researched wall of text. I suggest you start with all the articles on /r/the_donald.
  - TACIXAT 9y ago
    Like many online echo chambers, /r/the_donald bans people who dissent in any way. It is not a place where it is possible to engage in discussion. In fact, reddit is a horrible place to engage in meaningful discussion, as users can downvote any opinion they disagree with and make it disappear, and mods can ban any users they disagree with. It's easy to label people as trolls, but I have been banned from multiple subreddits when attempting to participate in discussions in good faith.
    - kuschku 9y ago
      > In fact, reddit is a horrible place to engage in meaningful discussion, as users can downvote any opinion they disagree with and make it disappear, and mods can ban any users they disagree with. That's a funny response to a comment that was so heavily downvoted it's completely hidden for users unless they specifically change their HN settings.
      - TACIXAT 9y ago
        Yea, downvote buttons are a massive detriment to discussion on social media. The comment isn't hidden for me, and it wasn't light grey when I replied. HN is a little better in that they are more sparsely used, but it can still be abused. Same with mass reports on Facebook, same with downvotes on Youtube. That button makes bubbles.
Icedcool 9y ago
I agree on all points and want to add, that calling him a 'WHITE MAN' is racist as well.
baby 9y ago
> Calling him a WHITE MAN is an essentialism that reveals the author's bias. I admit that I guessed the same, it's often when you're not in an apparent minority that you don't seem to take these issues at heart (and that you end up hurting a lot of people in the way). Which is an easy way to conclude that the author is a white male in his thirties working at a decent job.
nilved 9y ago
> Calling Damore young and clueless is useless ad hominem. Chances are he is smarter than you and me and the memo is actually well sourced. > Chances are he is smarter than you and me Did you read the memo? And hear his interview? Your assumptions are way off-base.
Frondo 9y ago
I'd happily agree he's a better engineer than me. That doesn't make him smarter, and his engineering acumen certainly doesn't give him any specific ability to do any kind of psychology or neuroscience lit review. Know how we get up in arms when someone with expertise one field starts going on about some totally unrelated field and makes a lot of leaps of reasoning? Expertise in one field doesn't make you an expert in everything. Nothing tells me this guy can write authoritatively on this subject matter, or that the memo is well-sourced, just cause he's smarter at writing software than me.
- collyw 9y ago
  There were a few psychologists who have publicly commented on this, saying that that what he quoted was reasonably accurate.
- dandare 9y ago
  Nice strawman you've build there ;). "Expertise in one field doesn't make you an expert in everything", sure! But not being an expert in given filed does not make you clueless. And that was my argument.

pmlnr 9y ago

This. To respond to that manifesto, to argue, talk, discuss, write a similarly well organised response.

kuschku 9y ago
Please try doing that to every internet troll out there, if you have the time. Most of the population don't, and at some point just have to dismiss some ridiculous arguments instead of discussing every single badly researched wall of text. I suggest you start with all the articles on /r/the_donald.
- TACIXAT 9y ago
  Like many online echo chambers, /r/the_donald bans people who dissent in any way. It is not a place where it is possible to engage in discussion. In fact, reddit is a horrible place to engage in meaningful discussion, as users can downvote any opinion they disagree with and make it disappear, and mods can ban any users they disagree with. It's easy to label people as trolls, but I have been banned from multiple subreddits when attempting to participate in discussions in good faith.
  - kuschku 9y ago
    > In fact, reddit is a horrible place to engage in meaningful discussion, as users can downvote any opinion they disagree with and make it disappear, and mods can ban any users they disagree with. That's a funny response to a comment that was so heavily downvoted it's completely hidden for users unless they specifically change their HN settings.
    - TACIXAT 9y ago
      Yea, downvote buttons are a massive detriment to discussion on social media. The comment isn't hidden for me, and it wasn't light grey when I replied. HN is a little better in that they are more sparsely used, but it can still be abused. Same with mass reports on Facebook, same with downvotes on Youtube. That button makes bubbles.

Icedcool 9y ago

I agree on all points and want to add, that calling him a 'WHITE MAN' is racist as well.

baby 9y ago

> Calling him a WHITE MAN is an essentialism that reveals the author's bias. I admit that I guessed the same, it's often when you're not in an apparent minority that you don't seem to take these issues at heart (and that you end up hurting a lot of people in the way). Which is an easy way to conclude that the author is a white male in his thirties working at a decent job.

nilved 9y ago

> Calling Damore young and clueless is useless ad hominem. Chances are he is smarter than you and me and the memo is actually well sourced. > Chances are he is smarter than you and me Did you read the memo? And hear his interview? Your assumptions are way off-base.

Frondo 9y ago

I'd happily agree he's a better engineer than me. That doesn't make him smarter, and his engineering acumen certainly doesn't give him any specific ability to do any kind of psychology or neuroscience lit review. Know how we get up in arms when someone with expertise one field starts going on about some totally unrelated field and makes a lot of leaps of reasoning? Expertise in one field doesn't make you an expert in everything. Nothing tells me this guy can write authoritatively on this subject matter, or that the memo is well-sourced, just cause he's smarter at writing software than me.

collyw 9y ago
There were a few psychologists who have publicly commented on this, saying that that what he quoted was reasonably accurate.
dandare 9y ago
Nice strawman you've build there ;). "Expertise in one field doesn't make you an expert in everything", sure! But not being an expert in given filed does not make you clueless. And that was my argument.