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You realize she does lead her comment/ TL;DR with "He's secretly pushing an alt-right agenda"?

s_kilk 9y ago
The guy is absolutely pushing an alt-right agenda, it's plain to see in the manifesto, and that's before we get to his guest appearance on a prominent alt-right YouTube show.
- orthoganol 9y ago
  > absolutely You don't know that, and I get little impression of such from his Bloomberg appearance today: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2017-08-10/fired-engineer-damore-i-feel-google-betrayed-me-video https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2017-08-10/fired-engin... Even so you are aware the Quora question is "What do scientists think about the biological claims?", so the ad hominem is not only a distracting annoyance but is also undermining of one's claim to objective impartiality.
  - kybernetikos 9y ago
    I doubt the respondant would claim objective impartiality, and if they did, their article would quickly make clear that they have a background and situation that colours their view of the issue and that they feel very strongly about it and are emotionally engaged with it. None of this means that they are wrong on the substantive points they make though, even though you're right that the alt-right claim isn't helpful. In fact I got the impression of someone who feels very strongly about the issues, but who is still trying to engage logically and reasonably and in good faith, even if they slip occasionally. Much the same can probably be said for the original memo author.
- dvfjsdhgfv 9y ago
  It would be far more interesting to see him on a Progressive YouTube show, however, as he says, few people who criticized him contacted him personally. I don't think he'd avoid such a confrontation if he was given a chance, but my feeling is that in current PC climate some people would be offended just by hearing what he says, so it's unlikely he'd even get invited.
  - pdkl95 9y ago
    > however, as he says, few people who criticized him contacted him personally According to the Guardian[1], "Damore initially told the Guardian he would answer questions by email on Monday, but then stopped responding to inquiries. He had a few brief email exchanges with reporters, including at the New York Times, Bloomberg and the rightwing site website Breitbart." Giving an extended interview with Molyneux instead of the NYT or even Breitbart is not recommended if you want to avoid being seen as anti-feminist or "alt-right". [1] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/aug/09/james-damore-google-memo-youtube-interviews https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/aug/09/james-dam...
    - dvfjsdhgfv 9y ago
      It's interesting to see that he apparently prefers video interviews than written statements. Maybe he feels if he says something in writing, his words can be twisted by being used out of context? Whereas if he appears live, it will be more difficult to manipulate. I notice he basically appears almost exclusively on video now.
dvfjsdhgfv 9y ago
Yes, but she uses counterarguments based on relevant past studies rather than empty "everyone knows it's just sexism" style of arguing that we've seen so far in the media.
- jardaroh 9y ago
  But most of her counter arguments are against arguments the original author never made or at best against misrepresentations.
  - dvfjsdhgfv 9y ago
    That's a good start nevertheless, a level above the usual "what a sexist pig" pseudo-arguments. Reading each of these articles I learn something more, I expand my knowledge of things that weren't even in my area of interest, I get more understanding as to what is offending other people these days... I think a discussion based on merits is extremely useful, and I'm sad seeing all these articles quickly flagged.
    - slindz 9y ago
      How many levels until we're talking about the fair points he made, along with the well-intentioned suggestions he was making?
      - dvfjsdhgfv 9y ago
        We don't live in an ideal world. People have their own agendas, obsessions, feelings etc. that obscure their judgement. It will definitely take a long while.
      - slindz 9y ago
        > We don't live in an ideal world. People have their own agendas, obsessions, feelings etc. that obscure their judgement. It will definitely take a long while. Well, when you put it like that, firing the guy was clearly the best decision..... edit: formatting

The guy is absolutely pushing an alt-right agenda, it's plain to see in the manifesto, and that's before we get to his guest appearance on a prominent alt-right YouTube show.

orthoganol 9y ago
> absolutely You don't know that, and I get little impression of such from his Bloomberg appearance today: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2017-08-10/fired-engineer-damore-i-feel-google-betrayed-me-video https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2017-08-10/fired-engin... Even so you are aware the Quora question is "What do scientists think about the biological claims?", so the ad hominem is not only a distracting annoyance but is also undermining of one's claim to objective impartiality.
- kybernetikos 9y ago
  I doubt the respondant would claim objective impartiality, and if they did, their article would quickly make clear that they have a background and situation that colours their view of the issue and that they feel very strongly about it and are emotionally engaged with it. None of this means that they are wrong on the substantive points they make though, even though you're right that the alt-right claim isn't helpful. In fact I got the impression of someone who feels very strongly about the issues, but who is still trying to engage logically and reasonably and in good faith, even if they slip occasionally. Much the same can probably be said for the original memo author.
dvfjsdhgfv 9y ago
It would be far more interesting to see him on a Progressive YouTube show, however, as he says, few people who criticized him contacted him personally. I don't think he'd avoid such a confrontation if he was given a chance, but my feeling is that in current PC climate some people would be offended just by hearing what he says, so it's unlikely he'd even get invited.
- pdkl95 9y ago
  > however, as he says, few people who criticized him contacted him personally According to the Guardian[1], "Damore initially told the Guardian he would answer questions by email on Monday, but then stopped responding to inquiries. He had a few brief email exchanges with reporters, including at the New York Times, Bloomberg and the rightwing site website Breitbart." Giving an extended interview with Molyneux instead of the NYT or even Breitbart is not recommended if you want to avoid being seen as anti-feminist or "alt-right". [1] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/aug/09/james-damore-google-memo-youtube-interviews https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/aug/09/james-dam...
  - dvfjsdhgfv 9y ago
    It's interesting to see that he apparently prefers video interviews than written statements. Maybe he feels if he says something in writing, his words can be twisted by being used out of context? Whereas if he appears live, it will be more difficult to manipulate. I notice he basically appears almost exclusively on video now.

dvfjsdhgfv 9y ago

Yes, but she uses counterarguments based on relevant past studies rather than empty "everyone knows it's just sexism" style of arguing that we've seen so far in the media.

jardaroh 9y ago
But most of her counter arguments are against arguments the original author never made or at best against misrepresentations.
- dvfjsdhgfv 9y ago
  That's a good start nevertheless, a level above the usual "what a sexist pig" pseudo-arguments. Reading each of these articles I learn something more, I expand my knowledge of things that weren't even in my area of interest, I get more understanding as to what is offending other people these days... I think a discussion based on merits is extremely useful, and I'm sad seeing all these articles quickly flagged.
  - slindz 9y ago
    How many levels until we're talking about the fair points he made, along with the well-intentioned suggestions he was making?
    - dvfjsdhgfv 9y ago
      We don't live in an ideal world. People have their own agendas, obsessions, feelings etc. that obscure their judgement. It will definitely take a long while.
    - slindz 9y ago
      > We don't live in an ideal world. People have their own agendas, obsessions, feelings etc. that obscure their judgement. It will definitely take a long while. Well, when you put it like that, firing the guy was clearly the best decision..... edit: formatting