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That how it works in one of the IT company in Voronezh. All parking lots are sold at internal auction each month. All money from auction goes to charity. Its a

by AlfeG 9y ago

That how it works in one of the IT company in Voronezh. All parking lots are sold at internal auction each month. All money from auction goes to charity. Its a win win for all. People know that they always able to park. Price for lot goes up every month by itself, because there is less and less free space around office. Charity goes up as well.

occultist_throw 9y ago
Uh, huh. "Charity". AKA corporate tax writeoff. Nope, parent poster said explicitly "Money from auction goes in pool and split between everyone who doesnt park." I'd like to see the same kind of idea with moving violations. It's wronging the communities they're cited in; it should go back to us, directly. Not to some enforcement arm that buys MRAPS and shit.
- mcherm 9y ago
  > it should go back to us, directly. It does. There is a reasonable argument that such fees should go to the general fund for the locality, not to some specific department like law enforcement (because of incentives). But I do not think there is a reasonable argument that the money should "go back to us, directly" rather than going to the local government. I mean, if you REALLY wanted your tax bill to come with two extra lines on it: > Refund due to collections from legal enforcement: $ -54.36 > Additional charges for operating costs: $ 54.36 ...but I HOPE you are bright enough to realize that the net difference between showing these lines on the tax bill and not showing them is meaningless and that there is little benefit to bothering to list it that way.
  - occultist_throw 9y ago
    Actually, due to transparency, I would want the ability to drill that deep into the financials of the county, state, and country I live in. Even if it is a net positive offset by an exact equal negative. The problem is when government is opaque, we get things like "Govt services are horrible, blablabla". Whereas if funding wasn't in omnibus bills and covered up, we could see "Yes, their performance is low cause they are understaffed and working on a shoestring budget. They couldn't even afford office supplies." I mean seriously, we value provenance in software with tools like Git. Why not Government and expenditure calculations? I certainly see a value there, regardless the party.
  - xapata 9y ago
    Writing laws such that fines are distributed back to the population uniformly would make the impact easier to understand. Pooling all revenue, from both taxes and fines, would make budgeting more complex as the tax rate would need to fluctuate with the expectation of fines, including the ones from new legislation. Any new fine legislation would thus be a tax bill by side-effect.
Johnny555 9y ago
That's not really a win-win for all. The low paid cafeteria worker who has to be at work at 5am before transit runs can't afford to outbid the executive that can pay $500/month for a space.... and he doesn't even get a share of the profit from the auction. So he ends up paying $200/month at a nearby garage out of his own pocket... at least if the profits were shared, it would help offset some of his parking costs.
- xapata 9y ago
  Either the company will need to increase that person's wage or they will find other employment. Don't make parking a special case vs other aspects of inequality. If you want to alleviate wage disparity, target it directly, not just one tiny symptom.
  - anindha 9y ago
    He/she was giving a counter example to show it wasn't win-win, not commenting on equality in general.
    - xapata 9y ago
      The example of the cafeteria employee is saying that poor people are disproportionately harmed by increased prices. That's true. I argue that despite the regressive nature of consumption fees, they're important for a well-functioning market. The problems of poverty are important as well, but should not prevent us from using market-based solutions for allocating resources.
      - anindha 9y ago
        If the funds went back to all employees equally then it’s a market-based solution. This example is conflating the market for charity donations with parking. If I was going to donate $10k/month to charity anyway, I’d bid $5k a month on the parking (not sure how tax would work).
        9y ago

by AlfeG 9y ago

occultist_throw 9y ago

Uh, huh. "Charity". AKA corporate tax writeoff. Nope, parent poster said explicitly "Money from auction goes in pool and split between everyone who doesnt park." I'd like to see the same kind of idea with moving violations. It's wronging the communities they're cited in; it should go back to us, directly. Not to some enforcement arm that buys MRAPS and shit.

mcherm 9y ago
> it should go back to us, directly. It does. There is a reasonable argument that such fees should go to the general fund for the locality, not to some specific department like law enforcement (because of incentives). But I do not think there is a reasonable argument that the money should "go back to us, directly" rather than going to the local government. I mean, if you REALLY wanted your tax bill to come with two extra lines on it: > Refund due to collections from legal enforcement: $ -54.36 > Additional charges for operating costs: $ 54.36 ...but I HOPE you are bright enough to realize that the net difference between showing these lines on the tax bill and not showing them is meaningless and that there is little benefit to bothering to list it that way.
- occultist_throw 9y ago
  Actually, due to transparency, I would want the ability to drill that deep into the financials of the county, state, and country I live in. Even if it is a net positive offset by an exact equal negative. The problem is when government is opaque, we get things like "Govt services are horrible, blablabla". Whereas if funding wasn't in omnibus bills and covered up, we could see "Yes, their performance is low cause they are understaffed and working on a shoestring budget. They couldn't even afford office supplies." I mean seriously, we value provenance in software with tools like Git. Why not Government and expenditure calculations? I certainly see a value there, regardless the party.
- xapata 9y ago
  Writing laws such that fines are distributed back to the population uniformly would make the impact easier to understand. Pooling all revenue, from both taxes and fines, would make budgeting more complex as the tax rate would need to fluctuate with the expectation of fines, including the ones from new legislation. Any new fine legislation would thus be a tax bill by side-effect.

Johnny555 9y ago

That's not really a win-win for all. The low paid cafeteria worker who has to be at work at 5am before transit runs can't afford to outbid the executive that can pay $500/month for a space.... and he doesn't even get a share of the profit from the auction. So he ends up paying $200/month at a nearby garage out of his own pocket... at least if the profits were shared, it would help offset some of his parking costs.

xapata 9y ago
Either the company will need to increase that person's wage or they will find other employment. Don't make parking a special case vs other aspects of inequality. If you want to alleviate wage disparity, target it directly, not just one tiny symptom.
- anindha 9y ago
  He/she was giving a counter example to show it wasn't win-win, not commenting on equality in general.
  - xapata 9y ago
    The example of the cafeteria employee is saying that poor people are disproportionately harmed by increased prices. That's true. I argue that despite the regressive nature of consumption fees, they're important for a well-functioning market. The problems of poverty are important as well, but should not prevent us from using market-based solutions for allocating resources.
    - anindha 9y ago
      If the funds went back to all employees equally then it’s a market-based solution. This example is conflating the market for charity donations with parking. If I was going to donate $10k/month to charity anyway, I’d bid $5k a month on the parking (not sure how tax would work).
      - 9y ago