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...how far does "propaganda and misinformation" go? Political parties also put out propaganda and misinformation, as do businesses and individuals.

diogenescynic 9y ago
Marketing is not the same as propaganda and straight up lying about historical facts. If you claim there weren't famines in the Soviet Union, you're either a liar or a fool. I am fine with those being removed from Google. Separating the wheat from the chaff is the entire point of Google search. They should ban all disinformation sites, Fox News, Breitbart, and InfoWars would be a good start to add to WSWS. Salon and Huffington would be up there too.
- mark_edward 9y ago
  did this website do this?
- dibujante 9y ago
  But what if someone, somehow, through some extraordinary bit of research, does find evidence contradicting a widely supported claim? Not the soviet famine claim, but e.g. David Glantz did research and found that the early years of the USSR's involvement in World War II had been substantially misrepresented due to the USSR censoring many of those records to save face. Prior to his publication of that work, it was the "truth" that the USSR launched no major offensives until 1942-3. After the publication of that work, that was no longer the "truth" (the USSR had in fact launched many offensives and then purged them from the historical record in order to appear infallible).
  - diogenescynic 9y ago
    Sure, new historical discoveries (based on evidence!) deserve to be published. But do you believe Google should keep search results that deny the Holocaust? I personally see no value in that trash and if I was Google, I'd blacklist that stuff too.
- evanlivingston 9y ago
  Whoah whoah whoah, how is marketing different than propoganda?
- KekDemaga 9y ago
  "First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist."
  - diogenescynic 9y ago
    Ironic because Socialist forums are heavily moderated and quickly ban those who don't repeat the talking points. They hate having their ideas challenged, but get mad that a public company won't give them web traffic? Cry me a river.
    - etplayer 9y ago
      >Ironic because Socialist forums are heavily moderated I'm a member of at least one such forum which isn't heavily moderated. >and quickly ban those who don't repeat the talking points The forum I use prides itself on allowing such discussion. >They hate having their ideas challenged I love having my ideas challenged, and I love arguing, who are you constructing a straw man of?
    - hellbanner 9y ago
      Give some examples if you're going to name names.
- confounded 9y ago
  Your examples are cherry-picked UGC from Reddit (not a good brush to tar any viewpoint with). Are there specific WSWS examples, or is the the concept of advocating socialism which is false to you?

diogenescynic 9y ago

Marketing is not the same as propaganda and straight up lying about historical facts. If you claim there weren't famines in the Soviet Union, you're either a liar or a fool. I am fine with those being removed from Google. Separating the wheat from the chaff is the entire point of Google search. They should ban all disinformation sites, Fox News, Breitbart, and InfoWars would be a good start to add to WSWS. Salon and Huffington would be up there too.

mark_edward 9y ago
did this website do this?
dibujante 9y ago
But what if someone, somehow, through some extraordinary bit of research, does find evidence contradicting a widely supported claim? Not the soviet famine claim, but e.g. David Glantz did research and found that the early years of the USSR's involvement in World War II had been substantially misrepresented due to the USSR censoring many of those records to save face. Prior to his publication of that work, it was the "truth" that the USSR launched no major offensives until 1942-3. After the publication of that work, that was no longer the "truth" (the USSR had in fact launched many offensives and then purged them from the historical record in order to appear infallible).
- diogenescynic 9y ago
  Sure, new historical discoveries (based on evidence!) deserve to be published. But do you believe Google should keep search results that deny the Holocaust? I personally see no value in that trash and if I was Google, I'd blacklist that stuff too.
evanlivingston 9y ago
Whoah whoah whoah, how is marketing different than propoganda?
KekDemaga 9y ago
"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist."
- diogenescynic 9y ago
  Ironic because Socialist forums are heavily moderated and quickly ban those who don't repeat the talking points. They hate having their ideas challenged, but get mad that a public company won't give them web traffic? Cry me a river.
  - etplayer 9y ago
    >Ironic because Socialist forums are heavily moderated I'm a member of at least one such forum which isn't heavily moderated. >and quickly ban those who don't repeat the talking points The forum I use prides itself on allowing such discussion. >They hate having their ideas challenged I love having my ideas challenged, and I love arguing, who are you constructing a straw man of?
  - hellbanner 9y ago
    Give some examples if you're going to name names.
confounded 9y ago
Your examples are cherry-picked UGC from Reddit (not a good brush to tar any viewpoint with). Are there specific WSWS examples, or is the the concept of advocating socialism which is false to you?