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Those are three stories about individuals. There will always be crazy individuals. I consider the organized attacks by companies, protestors, and other groups,

Those are three stories about individuals. There will always be crazy individuals. I consider the organized attacks by companies, protestors, and other groups, some with the tacit approval of the government, to be worse.

danso 9y ago
Your story was about a mob, which can behave just as erratically and uncontrollably as any individual. And individuals don't always get their ideas from inner reflection. You think the guy who decided to attack a pizza parlor with an assault rifle was also the creator of the PizzaGate controversy and its ensuing discussion?
- leereeves 9y ago
  Were there any right-wing mobs during or since the election?
  - danso 9y ago
    Are you without access to the Internet or to Google? Your original question was: > Do you have any examples of people punished for supporting Clinton? I'd be interested to hear about them; I'm not aware of any. I'm not particularly interested in getting into a link-fest fight that will ultimately stall at a No-True-Scotsman appeal. I took issue at your apparent complete obliviousness of violent attacks originating from the right-wing. Are any of the incidents I've mentioned sufficient for you and all those awful incidents you have in your head but can't be bothered to find the links to? Oh what the hell. Here's another one for you: "Couple charged with assault in shooting, melee during UW speech by Milo Yiannopoulos" http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/couple-charged-with-assault-in-shooting-melee-during-uw-speech-by-milo-yiannopoulos/ http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/couple-charge... Oh, I guess that doesn't count as a "mob", because apparently when members of one group of protestors shoots another protester in the stomach, police swoop in and shut everything down. Do you imagine that if the police weren't there, that the right-wing protesters (including the ones carrying and firing guns) would have amicably resolved things? I don't expect to find scores of examples of angry right-wing mob action. The winning side tends to have less reason to protest or lash out. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you are aware of angry anti-Obama protests and retaliation that happened back in 2009. But let me know if you are equally oblivious of such incidents and I can search the news archives for you. As a registered Republican, I can only imagine what my reaction as a Democrat would be upon hearing of attacks on Obama supporters. I would hope that my reaction would not be to assume that such attacks were coordinated by Senator McCain/Governor Palin, or use such incidents as a sweeping indictment against the Republican party. It's been several hours since you claimed that there were "so many" anti-Trump attacks and yet you've still only been able to come up with that one link from the Mercury News. Save yourself the effort, I can think of several incidents in which Trump supporters were harmed, but I'm not the one who was ignorant of such incidents nor do I deny that such incidents, whether they involved angry words or actual violence, were considerably harmful to the victims. But -- looking at the most recent election cycle -- it's hard to ignore that the most direct examples of a party's leader sanctioning violence comes straight from Trump himself, which is why a lawsuit accusing him of inciting violence has been allowed to go forward: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/3/trump-campaign-speech-ruled-plausible-cause-violen/ http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/3/trump-campaig... http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/both-sides-blame-trump-case-about-campaign-season-violence http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/both-sides-blame-tru... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/04/03/the-violent-rally-trump-cant-move-past/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/04/03/th... https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/get-him-out-racial-tensions-explode-at-donald-trumps-rallies/2016/03/11/b9764884-e6ee-11e5-bc08-3e03a5b41910_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/get-him-out-racial-t... Again, not a mob action since campaign attendees far outnumbered the protesters, meaning that a few punches could put an end to the protests before things descended into a riot. I don't think that makes the situation better. So, are you now aware of attacks against Trump opponents?
    - leereeves 9y ago
      You misunderstood me again. Of course there were actions by crazy individuals on both sides. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about people punished by organized groups and the powerful. I'm talking about Google firing people and the police ignoring mob attacks. And you still haven't mentioned any such things. I agree Trump's rhetoric was dangerous but he hasn't acted on it, as far as I know.
      - danso 9y ago
        Google didn't fire someone for supporting Trump. The police chief/city officials ignoring mob attacks based on politics is indeed a huge problem. If I'm reading the example you posted correctly, and the most recent update [0], a judge has so far dismissed claims against the defendants who would have the power -- e.g. the mayor and police chief -- to tell police to not protect Trump supporters. Did police officers intentionally decide to harm Trump supporters? I suppose the court case will examine that, though it's worth noting that Trump was endorsed by the nation's largest police union [1], so the thought of police being part of a conspiracy to hurt Trump would be pretty surprising. In case you were unaware of Democrat-supporters who were either fired, or were threatened to be fired, for their support of Democrats, here you go: - https://www.aol.com/2013/01/18/utah-terry-lee-forensics-fires-supporting-obama-two-employees/ https://www.aol.com/2013/01/18/utah-terry-lee-forensics-fire... - http://www.cbsnews.com/news/was-employee-laid-off-for-voting-for-obama/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/was-employee-laid-off-for-voting... - https://www.mediaite.com/online/fired-for-voting-ohio-woman-claims-her-2012-obama-vote-cost-her-a-job/ https://www.mediaite.com/online/fired-for-voting-ohio-woman-... - http://www.salon.com/2017/01/20/newt-gingrich-wants-to-fire-federal-employees-who-voted-for-clinton/ http://www.salon.com/2017/01/20/newt-gingrich-wants-to-fire-... - http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/09/news/economy/siegel-email-employees/index.html http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/09/news/economy/siegel-email-em... For your own pro-Trump files: - http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/10/boss-tells-pro-trump-employees-to-resign.html http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/10/boss-tells-pro-trump-em... [0] http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/03/15/judge-wont-throw-out-trump-supporters-negligence-suit-over-rally-melee/ http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/03/15/judge-wont-throw-out-t... [1] http://www.npr.org/2016/09/18/494451660/the-nations-largest-police-union-endorses-donald-trump http://www.npr.org/2016/09/18/494451660/the-nations-largest-...

danso 9y ago

Your story was about a mob, which can behave just as erratically and uncontrollably as any individual. And individuals don't always get their ideas from inner reflection. You think the guy who decided to attack a pizza parlor with an assault rifle was also the creator of the PizzaGate controversy and its ensuing discussion?

leereeves 9y ago
Were there any right-wing mobs during or since the election?
- danso 9y ago
  Are you without access to the Internet or to Google? Your original question was: > Do you have any examples of people punished for supporting Clinton? I'd be interested to hear about them; I'm not aware of any. I'm not particularly interested in getting into a link-fest fight that will ultimately stall at a No-True-Scotsman appeal. I took issue at your apparent complete obliviousness of violent attacks originating from the right-wing. Are any of the incidents I've mentioned sufficient for you and all those awful incidents you have in your head but can't be bothered to find the links to? Oh what the hell. Here's another one for you: "Couple charged with assault in shooting, melee during UW speech by Milo Yiannopoulos" http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/couple-charged-with-assault-in-shooting-melee-during-uw-speech-by-milo-yiannopoulos/ http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/couple-charge... Oh, I guess that doesn't count as a "mob", because apparently when members of one group of protestors shoots another protester in the stomach, police swoop in and shut everything down. Do you imagine that if the police weren't there, that the right-wing protesters (including the ones carrying and firing guns) would have amicably resolved things? I don't expect to find scores of examples of angry right-wing mob action. The winning side tends to have less reason to protest or lash out. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you are aware of angry anti-Obama protests and retaliation that happened back in 2009. But let me know if you are equally oblivious of such incidents and I can search the news archives for you. As a registered Republican, I can only imagine what my reaction as a Democrat would be upon hearing of attacks on Obama supporters. I would hope that my reaction would not be to assume that such attacks were coordinated by Senator McCain/Governor Palin, or use such incidents as a sweeping indictment against the Republican party. It's been several hours since you claimed that there were "so many" anti-Trump attacks and yet you've still only been able to come up with that one link from the Mercury News. Save yourself the effort, I can think of several incidents in which Trump supporters were harmed, but I'm not the one who was ignorant of such incidents nor do I deny that such incidents, whether they involved angry words or actual violence, were considerably harmful to the victims. But -- looking at the most recent election cycle -- it's hard to ignore that the most direct examples of a party's leader sanctioning violence comes straight from Trump himself, which is why a lawsuit accusing him of inciting violence has been allowed to go forward: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/3/trump-campaign-speech-ruled-plausible-cause-violen/ http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/3/trump-campaig... http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/both-sides-blame-trump-case-about-campaign-season-violence http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/both-sides-blame-tru... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/04/03/the-violent-rally-trump-cant-move-past/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/04/03/th... https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/get-him-out-racial-tensions-explode-at-donald-trumps-rallies/2016/03/11/b9764884-e6ee-11e5-bc08-3e03a5b41910_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/get-him-out-racial-t... Again, not a mob action since campaign attendees far outnumbered the protesters, meaning that a few punches could put an end to the protests before things descended into a riot. I don't think that makes the situation better. So, are you now aware of attacks against Trump opponents?
  - leereeves 9y ago
    You misunderstood me again. Of course there were actions by crazy individuals on both sides. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about people punished by organized groups and the powerful. I'm talking about Google firing people and the police ignoring mob attacks. And you still haven't mentioned any such things. I agree Trump's rhetoric was dangerous but he hasn't acted on it, as far as I know.
    - danso 9y ago
      Google didn't fire someone for supporting Trump. The police chief/city officials ignoring mob attacks based on politics is indeed a huge problem. If I'm reading the example you posted correctly, and the most recent update [0], a judge has so far dismissed claims against the defendants who would have the power -- e.g. the mayor and police chief -- to tell police to not protect Trump supporters. Did police officers intentionally decide to harm Trump supporters? I suppose the court case will examine that, though it's worth noting that Trump was endorsed by the nation's largest police union [1], so the thought of police being part of a conspiracy to hurt Trump would be pretty surprising. In case you were unaware of Democrat-supporters who were either fired, or were threatened to be fired, for their support of Democrats, here you go: - https://www.aol.com/2013/01/18/utah-terry-lee-forensics-fires-supporting-obama-two-employees/ https://www.aol.com/2013/01/18/utah-terry-lee-forensics-fire... - http://www.cbsnews.com/news/was-employee-laid-off-for-voting-for-obama/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/was-employee-laid-off-for-voting... - https://www.mediaite.com/online/fired-for-voting-ohio-woman-claims-her-2012-obama-vote-cost-her-a-job/ https://www.mediaite.com/online/fired-for-voting-ohio-woman-... - http://www.salon.com/2017/01/20/newt-gingrich-wants-to-fire-federal-employees-who-voted-for-clinton/ http://www.salon.com/2017/01/20/newt-gingrich-wants-to-fire-... - http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/09/news/economy/siegel-email-employees/index.html http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/09/news/economy/siegel-email-em... For your own pro-Trump files: - http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/10/boss-tells-pro-trump-employees-to-resign.html http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/10/boss-tells-pro-trump-em... [0] http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/03/15/judge-wont-throw-out-trump-supporters-negligence-suit-over-rally-melee/ http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/03/15/judge-wont-throw-out-t... [1] http://www.npr.org/2016/09/18/494451660/the-nations-largest-police-union-endorses-donald-trump http://www.npr.org/2016/09/18/494451660/the-nations-largest-...