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Speaking as someone who has been insulted personally and publicly by Linus, on a topic that Linus was completely wrong about, he's a real asshole. And it's extr

Speaking as someone who has been insulted personally and publicly by Linus, on a topic that Linus was completely wrong about, he's a real asshole. And it's extremely well documented that he's an asshole. I don't need to "consider that he might […] not be a complete asshole", because that's already a given. > You're making up this strawman very craftily I'm not making a straw man at all, and I resent your attempt to frame my argument in this way. Since this is how you choose to argue, I'm not going to engage with you any more.

jacquesm 9y ago
Well, you could have put that gem out front instead of pulling a rabbit out of your hat. Otherwise to me you're just another anonymous person arguing on a forum rather than someone with a specific and relevant gripe. If there is a specific case where you disagreed with Linus and he insulted you then I understand why you want to take this up in this way but I notice that Linus is not a participant in the discussion here so you're going to get the general case, not the specific one. You've made up your mind about a person based on an online interaction that clearly left you seething and I'm perfectly ok with that. For all I know it was the defining point of your career and you've chosen to go into crusade mode, there is a good reason why I don't contribute to open source, I don't feel like getting heat from both maintainers and users. At the same time if I would go and do that I'd wear my flameproof jacket to work just in case. In short: lighten up, likely everybody but you has forgotten this interaction and it is a huge deal to you and hardly anybody else noticed. You should have seen some of the stuff that came my way on a public website, heck, even on HN I've been threatened with bodily harm. Question: Did you contact him about this off-line, and did you try to work it out somehow? If not I'd suggest you do that, maybe you can get this behind you.
- eridius 9y ago
  Dude, you have no idea what you're talking about and you're wildly speculating. And it's pretty offensive, to be honest. I'm not "seething", this isn't even close to the defining moment of my career, and I'm not on a crusade. You're trying to portray me as some crazy caricature because it allows you to ignore my argument. That's not even remotely okay. My argument has nothing at all to do with that one interaction, and I only brought it up because you were trying to argue that Linus's asshole nature was just him being correct. Please don't reply to me again. I have no wish to have to defend myself against your offensive and wildly incorrect accusations any further.
  - jacquesm 9y ago
    > Dude, you have no idea what you're talking about and you're wildly speculating. That's because you're playing silly games where you know more than I do and you're positioning yourself as superior by holding back information. > And it's pretty offensive, to be honest. Yes, you offend easily, that much is clear. See, I haven't used a bad word and yet, you are offended. > I'm not "seething", this isn't even close to the defining moment of my career, and I'm not on a crusade. Well, you seem to feel pretty strongly about it, strong enough to continue an argument that you said you bowed out of. > You're trying to portray me as some crazy caricature because it allows you to ignore my argument. Your words, not mine, and I have yet to see an argument, all I see is attitude. And your attitude does not trump Linus', neither does his trump yours. If you weren't upset about it this whole thread would have never happened. > That's not even remotely okay. No, I agree, it's not ok to sideswipe an argument by holding back key information. It makes it look like you are arguing for the general case when actually you are holding a specific grudge. > My argument has nothing at all to do with that one interaction, and I only brought it up because you were trying to argue that Linus's asshole nature was just him being correct. I did not say that he was correct, I said he might be correct and be an asshole at the same time. The one does not preclude the other. > Please don't reply to me again. Well, you weren't going to reply in the first place so if you don't want me to reply then just let it go. Otherwise, consider your options: you can reply, I may or may not reply to that if you want to control my response the best way is not to reply. > I have no wish to have to defend myself against your offensive and wildly incorrect accusations any further. Then don't.
  - aisofteng 9y ago
    >Please don't reply to me again. That about sums it up. Nothing more to say, it is its own caricature.
    - eridius 9y ago
      This comment is not constructive. When you see someone who is tired of responding to offensive and completely baseless accusations, why do you think it's appropriate to insult them?

jacquesm 9y ago

Well, you could have put that gem out front instead of pulling a rabbit out of your hat. Otherwise to me you're just another anonymous person arguing on a forum rather than someone with a specific and relevant gripe. If there is a specific case where you disagreed with Linus and he insulted you then I understand why you want to take this up in this way but I notice that Linus is not a participant in the discussion here so you're going to get the general case, not the specific one. You've made up your mind about a person based on an online interaction that clearly left you seething and I'm perfectly ok with that. For all I know it was the defining point of your career and you've chosen to go into crusade mode, there is a good reason why I don't contribute to open source, I don't feel like getting heat from both maintainers and users. At the same time if I would go and do that I'd wear my flameproof jacket to work just in case. In short: lighten up, likely everybody but you has forgotten this interaction and it is a huge deal to you and hardly anybody else noticed. You should have seen some of the stuff that came my way on a public website, heck, even on HN I've been threatened with bodily harm. Question: Did you contact him about this off-line, and did you try to work it out somehow? If not I'd suggest you do that, maybe you can get this behind you.

eridius 9y ago
Dude, you have no idea what you're talking about and you're wildly speculating. And it's pretty offensive, to be honest. I'm not "seething", this isn't even close to the defining moment of my career, and I'm not on a crusade. You're trying to portray me as some crazy caricature because it allows you to ignore my argument. That's not even remotely okay. My argument has nothing at all to do with that one interaction, and I only brought it up because you were trying to argue that Linus's asshole nature was just him being correct. Please don't reply to me again. I have no wish to have to defend myself against your offensive and wildly incorrect accusations any further.
- jacquesm 9y ago
  > Dude, you have no idea what you're talking about and you're wildly speculating. That's because you're playing silly games where you know more than I do and you're positioning yourself as superior by holding back information. > And it's pretty offensive, to be honest. Yes, you offend easily, that much is clear. See, I haven't used a bad word and yet, you are offended. > I'm not "seething", this isn't even close to the defining moment of my career, and I'm not on a crusade. Well, you seem to feel pretty strongly about it, strong enough to continue an argument that you said you bowed out of. > You're trying to portray me as some crazy caricature because it allows you to ignore my argument. Your words, not mine, and I have yet to see an argument, all I see is attitude. And your attitude does not trump Linus', neither does his trump yours. If you weren't upset about it this whole thread would have never happened. > That's not even remotely okay. No, I agree, it's not ok to sideswipe an argument by holding back key information. It makes it look like you are arguing for the general case when actually you are holding a specific grudge. > My argument has nothing at all to do with that one interaction, and I only brought it up because you were trying to argue that Linus's asshole nature was just him being correct. I did not say that he was correct, I said he might be correct and be an asshole at the same time. The one does not preclude the other. > Please don't reply to me again. Well, you weren't going to reply in the first place so if you don't want me to reply then just let it go. Otherwise, consider your options: you can reply, I may or may not reply to that if you want to control my response the best way is not to reply. > I have no wish to have to defend myself against your offensive and wildly incorrect accusations any further. Then don't.
- aisofteng 9y ago
  >Please don't reply to me again. That about sums it up. Nothing more to say, it is its own caricature.
  - eridius 9y ago
    This comment is not constructive. When you see someone who is tired of responding to offensive and completely baseless accusations, why do you think it's appropriate to insult them?