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In a large corporation I worked for a long time, if EVP fires somebody on the spot it means that EVP is next to go. I assume this will be the case for Salesforc

by tlogan 9y ago

In a large corporation I worked for a long time, if EVP fires somebody on the spot it means that EVP is next to go. I assume this will be the case for Salesforce.

LateChannels 9y ago
On the spot, At defcon, 30k people. Anyone at Salesforce wanna talk about what's going on? Make a throwaway, use opsec. What are your opinions on this? What is your opinion of Jim as your leader?
- throwaway795463 9y ago
  Throwaway for obvious reasons. Incredibly bad leader. Ask away.
  - provost 9y ago
    No questions from me, but I've met Josh and the rest of the redteam. I hope they are doing well. Lots of good folks in salesforce security =)
  - quantumhobbit 9y ago
    Were there any consequences for the leader? If not, it sounds like those above him are just as bad.
  - aedron 9y ago
    Okay, umm... Why is he an incredibly bad leader?
  - Quarrelsome 9y ago
    what are this "leader"'s justifications for preventing the talks and for preventing the open sourcing of this software? Is it liability or competitive advantage based?
  - placeybordeaux 9y ago
    why are you still there?
  - mygo 9y ago
    How do we even know you work there?
whipoodle 9y ago
Wait, what's the reason for that rule? Sounds interesting.
- deleted 9y ago
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- spydum 9y ago
  Executives who make hasty hot headed decisions are not the guys you want steering the ship, regardless of what the popular caricatures you see on TV.
- bsder 9y ago
  Well, in this case: 1) The PR backlash is going to be gigantic. 2) If you fire someone on the spot (I have), you'd better have a damn good reason (I did--repository sabotage) as the company is now going to have to pay money to defend/payoff this. 3) Suddenly firing important people disrupts daily business functions for weeks or months. 4) Unless you think they are going to actively sabotage something, you can wait until they get home to reprimand or fire people. All told, some manager is getting thrown under the bus for this.
  - paulcole 9y ago
    > The PR backlash is going to be gigantic. The Google thing was gigantic. This is a blip.
    - fencepost 9y ago
      The Google thing is a medium splash in a big pond. This is a small splash, but arguably in a much smaller and more concentrated pond. Within the community of red teams and DEFCON regulars I wouldn't be surprised if this is much better known than the (now) ex Googler is within the more general tech community.
    - fl0wenol 9y ago
      What Google thing?
coldtea 9y ago
In most corporations there's nothing like that.

by tlogan 9y ago

In a large corporation I worked for a long time, if EVP fires somebody on the spot it means that EVP is next to go. I assume this will be the case for Salesforce.

LateChannels 9y ago

On the spot, At defcon, 30k people. Anyone at Salesforce wanna talk about what's going on? Make a throwaway, use opsec. What are your opinions on this? What is your opinion of Jim as your leader?

throwaway795463 9y ago
Throwaway for obvious reasons. Incredibly bad leader. Ask away.
- provost 9y ago
  No questions from me, but I've met Josh and the rest of the redteam. I hope they are doing well. Lots of good folks in salesforce security =)
- quantumhobbit 9y ago
  Were there any consequences for the leader? If not, it sounds like those above him are just as bad.
- aedron 9y ago
  Okay, umm... Why is he an incredibly bad leader?
- Quarrelsome 9y ago
  what are this "leader"'s justifications for preventing the talks and for preventing the open sourcing of this software? Is it liability or competitive advantage based?
- placeybordeaux 9y ago
  why are you still there?
- mygo 9y ago
  How do we even know you work there?

whipoodle 9y ago

Wait, what's the reason for that rule? Sounds interesting.

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spydum 9y ago
Executives who make hasty hot headed decisions are not the guys you want steering the ship, regardless of what the popular caricatures you see on TV.
bsder 9y ago
Well, in this case: 1) The PR backlash is going to be gigantic. 2) If you fire someone on the spot (I have), you'd better have a damn good reason (I did--repository sabotage) as the company is now going to have to pay money to defend/payoff this. 3) Suddenly firing important people disrupts daily business functions for weeks or months. 4) Unless you think they are going to actively sabotage something, you can wait until they get home to reprimand or fire people. All told, some manager is getting thrown under the bus for this.
- paulcole 9y ago
  > The PR backlash is going to be gigantic. The Google thing was gigantic. This is a blip.
  - fencepost 9y ago
    The Google thing is a medium splash in a big pond. This is a small splash, but arguably in a much smaller and more concentrated pond. Within the community of red teams and DEFCON regulars I wouldn't be surprised if this is much better known than the (now) ex Googler is within the more general tech community.
  - fl0wenol 9y ago
    What Google thing?

coldtea 9y ago

In most corporations there's nothing like that.