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I don't much care whether Linus individually has the justification to be an asshole or not. The problem is that Linus being an asshole causes many other enginee

by jowiar 9y ago

I don't much care whether Linus individually has the justification to be an asshole or not. The problem is that Linus being an asshole causes many other engineers to think it's ok/expected/encouraged to be assholes. All the non-assholes quietly disappear and we're left with a room full of assholes.

icebraining 9y ago
The whole "Linus is an asshole" is well overplayed, though. The guy's been developing Linux for 25 years, with most of his communications in the open. The kind of outburst he has once every few years, and which gets extensive coverage and discussion, is a weekly occurrence in many offices. It's just that we'll never hear of those.
- jacquesm 9y ago
  And I've yet to see someone single out a particularly nice and constructive comment and use that for a counterpoint.
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  - DSMan195276 9y ago
    I suppose I'll bite: https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/8/9/924 https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/8/9/924 https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/8/8/873 https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/8/8/873 https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/8/8/855 https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/8/8/855 https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/8/8/760 https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/8/8/760 https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/8/6/209 https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/8/6/209 https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/8/6/219 https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/8/6/219 https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/8/6/322 https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/8/6/322 https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/8/4/634 https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/8/4/634 https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/8/3/919 https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/8/3/919 If you didn't notice from the dates, those are all (Literally all, I didn't leave any out) of Linus's emails from the past week or so. The only one that even really has a complaint in it is the ext4 one that you've likely already seen, and the rest are extremely helpful and include detailed descriptions of what he was thinking or what he'd like to see.
boomboomsubban 9y ago
Seems like those people are just assholes trying to justify their behavior, anyone actually trying to emulate Linus would see thousands of helpful messages for every outburst.

by jowiar 9y ago

icebraining 9y ago

The whole "Linus is an asshole" is well overplayed, though. The guy's been developing Linux for 25 years, with most of his communications in the open. The kind of outburst he has once every few years, and which gets extensive coverage and discussion, is a weekly occurrence in many offices. It's just that we'll never hear of those.

jacquesm 9y ago
And I've yet to see someone single out a particularly nice and constructive comment and use that for a counterpoint.
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- DSMan195276 9y ago
  I suppose I'll bite: https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/8/9/924 https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/8/9/924 https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/8/8/873 https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/8/8/873 https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/8/8/855 https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/8/8/855 https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/8/8/760 https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/8/8/760 https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/8/6/209 https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/8/6/209 https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/8/6/219 https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/8/6/219 https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/8/6/322 https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/8/6/322 https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/8/4/634 https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/8/4/634 https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/8/3/919 https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/8/3/919 If you didn't notice from the dates, those are all (Literally all, I didn't leave any out) of Linus's emails from the past week or so. The only one that even really has a complaint in it is the ext4 one that you've likely already seen, and the rest are extremely helpful and include detailed descriptions of what he was thinking or what he'd like to see.

boomboomsubban 9y ago

Seems like those people are just assholes trying to justify their behavior, anyone actually trying to emulate Linus would see thousands of helpful messages for every outburst.