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You've avoided any discussion at all with your confusing use of a variable instead of just making a clear statement

tptacek 9y ago
No, his argument is straightforward and lots of other people have made it before. A shorter way of saying it would be "if you don't like the same kinds of video games as most other developers, you are likely to be made to feel unwelcome".
- js8 9y ago
  > "if you don't like the same kinds of video games as most other developers, you are likely to be made to feel unwelcome" Funny, I don't like the same kinds of video games as most other developers. I like Minecraft, and only one colleague I know who enjoys it is a (very smart) woman, although she is a tech writer, not a developer (she is perfectly capable of programming, in fact it is her hobby, she just likes writing better). So please, don't stereotype. :-)
  - tptacek 9y ago
    I'm deliberately oversimplifying. If you: 1. Like sports 2. Wear expensive or formal clothing 3. Dislike video games 4. Are uninterested in science fiction 5. Don't drink 6. Are over 50 ... you'll find valley software development culturally inhospitable. Obviously, lots of well-dressed 50 year old baseball fans have programming jobs. But those people don't "read" as software developers, and if you take those people and strip away their resumes, they will underperform people that don't have those characteristics in software development interviews.
  - needlessly2 9y ago
    i'm a guy and i don't enjoy video games any more. I just feel i've grown out of that phase when I was 15. I'd rather go swimming, hiking, and try out different restaurants/bars.
sp332 9y ago
I agree. I think X = nerd.
- ucaetano 9y ago
  Could be, but I don't want to get into a pointless discussion of the name of a culture, call it whatever you want. That's why I used X. The name is irrelevant.
  - sp332 9y ago
    That's fine, but without calling it anything it becomes a puzzle to even know what you're talking about.
    - ucaetano 9y ago
      > a certain culture that I'll call X > X (which might include sci-fi, fantasy, video-games, board games, certain types of discussions, and a lot more) Any suggestions on how to make it more clear? I don't want to give it a name, to avoid focusing in the name, which will then lead to an endless gaming culture vs. nerd culture vs. geek culture vs. the world. Honest question, non-confrontational, really wanna know :)
      - projektir 9y ago
        I thought it was perfectly clear. I quite like the usage of "X" specifically because it doesn't give it a name loaded with irrelevant baggage.
      - Mz 9y ago
        You cannot please all of the people, all of the time. Trying will make you crazy.
      - sp332 9y ago
        Your post is long enough that I had enough context (at least as someone in that culture :) to figure it out. It was just annoying to puzzle through the first while without knowing what you were talking about.

No, his argument is straightforward and lots of other people have made it before. A shorter way of saying it would be "if you don't like the same kinds of video games as most other developers, you are likely to be made to feel unwelcome".

js8 9y ago
> "if you don't like the same kinds of video games as most other developers, you are likely to be made to feel unwelcome" Funny, I don't like the same kinds of video games as most other developers. I like Minecraft, and only one colleague I know who enjoys it is a (very smart) woman, although she is a tech writer, not a developer (she is perfectly capable of programming, in fact it is her hobby, she just likes writing better). So please, don't stereotype. :-)
- tptacek 9y ago
  I'm deliberately oversimplifying. If you: 1. Like sports 2. Wear expensive or formal clothing 3. Dislike video games 4. Are uninterested in science fiction 5. Don't drink 6. Are over 50 ... you'll find valley software development culturally inhospitable. Obviously, lots of well-dressed 50 year old baseball fans have programming jobs. But those people don't "read" as software developers, and if you take those people and strip away their resumes, they will underperform people that don't have those characteristics in software development interviews.
- needlessly2 9y ago
  i'm a guy and i don't enjoy video games any more. I just feel i've grown out of that phase when I was 15. I'd rather go swimming, hiking, and try out different restaurants/bars.

sp332 9y ago

I agree. I think X = nerd.

ucaetano 9y ago
Could be, but I don't want to get into a pointless discussion of the name of a culture, call it whatever you want. That's why I used X. The name is irrelevant.
- sp332 9y ago
  That's fine, but without calling it anything it becomes a puzzle to even know what you're talking about.
  - ucaetano 9y ago
    > a certain culture that I'll call X > X (which might include sci-fi, fantasy, video-games, board games, certain types of discussions, and a lot more) Any suggestions on how to make it more clear? I don't want to give it a name, to avoid focusing in the name, which will then lead to an endless gaming culture vs. nerd culture vs. geek culture vs. the world. Honest question, non-confrontational, really wanna know :)
    - projektir 9y ago
      I thought it was perfectly clear. I quite like the usage of "X" specifically because it doesn't give it a name loaded with irrelevant baggage.
    - Mz 9y ago
      You cannot please all of the people, all of the time. Trying will make you crazy.
    - sp332 9y ago
      Your post is long enough that I had enough context (at least as someone in that culture :) to figure it out. It was just annoying to puzzle through the first while without knowing what you were talking about.