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"And the sexual harassment, while annoying, was just that: annoying. I cannot recall that it ever affected my work, nor that I lost any sleep over it." This sa

"And the sexual harassment, while annoying, was just that: annoying. I cannot recall that it ever affected my work, nor that I lost any sleep over it." This says it all. Most women are not like this author. They will loose sleep over it and rightly so.

chrisco255 9y ago
She said the harassment came from clients not co-workers.
- neo4sure 9y ago
  Yes but the point is she was ok with it. Which is not what a large population of females feel like...
  - stickfigure 9y ago
    Honestly, how do you want her to feel about it? You can't sue customers for sexual harassment. Anyone working in a customer-facing position must be willing to put up with poor behavior (of all sorts) on the part of customers; it's pretty much part of the job description. If it gets bad enough you fire the customer, but in the mean time you just get the work done, take their money, and be ok with it. The only thing worse than annoying customers is no customers.
  - sudosteph 9y ago
    Oh please, do tell me how you are so in tune with how a "large population of females"(weird wording btw?) feel. I've been in that position and I felt the same as the author in this particular regard. Obviously sexist clients made me angry to deal with in the moment, but they're the same as any other type of asshole when you come right down to it. And sleep time is too precious to waste thinking about assholes. I still loved my job and coworkers and would recommend it to other women. Sure sexism exists, but it exists everywhere. Why miss out on a good gig because bad customers exist?
    - true_religion 9y ago
      I'm not the op. I was waitstaff once. I quit on day 2. I am sure if you surveyed most waitresses, they'd say they don't lose any sleep over the kind of sexual harassment faced from customers but that's survivors bias in my opinion. Anyone who did lose sleep, like I did, quit like I did unless of course they had no choice but to go on because they needed the income.
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Archio 9y ago
Here's what I don't understand. Traditionally male-dominated fields rife with harassment issues - like law and medicine - now have much less of a problem, because the gender ratio has been somewhat normalized. Tech companies are actually becoming MORE male dominated - yet medicine and law would be put to shame by the sheer amount of mental and financial resources that tech companies pour into diversity efforts nowadays. What is different about the tech industry that girls graduating high school are happy to go into studying medicine or law, but don't want to study computer science? It seems the problem starts far before most people think that it does.
- neo4sure 9y ago
  I can understand it by looking at my own daughters. Without a substantial effort from my part, they tend to gravitate towards nontechnical subjects. Peer pressure, influence from media all play a part in this. The issue is bigger than just a few techi bro's.
  - mcv 9y ago
    Absolutely. It's a society-wide cultural problem. And both the tech bros, the media image, and the idea that women don't belong there, are bad at it or shouldn't want to be there, are the products of that. Software is one of the few areas where female participation has actually gone down since the 1980s. There used to be more female programmers.
- dsfjksdf 9y ago
  Law and medicine are high status jobs, with a lot of people interactions. Yes, programmers have meetings. Not the same level of interaction as medicine, by a long stretch. There are many TV shows glorifying medicine and law. How many TV shows glorify the job of a programmer? How would you make a TV show glorifying the job of a programmer?
  - Archio 9y ago
    So why do young men study CS in college if programmers aren't glorified? Not to mention that being a "nerd" and "computer whiz" has never been a culturally attractive label, no matter what people might say today.
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Maken 9y ago
Well, some people is stronger than others to social pressure. Anyway, the author is not saying that sexual harassment doesn't exist nor it does not matter, but that even putting those aside maybe engineering is just not an attractive field for women. That said, I don't know if I buy that you have to be a dedicated geek to be in engineering.

chrisco255 9y ago

She said the harassment came from clients not co-workers.

neo4sure 9y ago
Yes but the point is she was ok with it. Which is not what a large population of females feel like...
- stickfigure 9y ago
  Honestly, how do you want her to feel about it? You can't sue customers for sexual harassment. Anyone working in a customer-facing position must be willing to put up with poor behavior (of all sorts) on the part of customers; it's pretty much part of the job description. If it gets bad enough you fire the customer, but in the mean time you just get the work done, take their money, and be ok with it. The only thing worse than annoying customers is no customers.
- sudosteph 9y ago
  Oh please, do tell me how you are so in tune with how a "large population of females"(weird wording btw?) feel. I've been in that position and I felt the same as the author in this particular regard. Obviously sexist clients made me angry to deal with in the moment, but they're the same as any other type of asshole when you come right down to it. And sleep time is too precious to waste thinking about assholes. I still loved my job and coworkers and would recommend it to other women. Sure sexism exists, but it exists everywhere. Why miss out on a good gig because bad customers exist?
  - true_religion 9y ago
    I'm not the op. I was waitstaff once. I quit on day 2. I am sure if you surveyed most waitresses, they'd say they don't lose any sleep over the kind of sexual harassment faced from customers but that's survivors bias in my opinion. Anyone who did lose sleep, like I did, quit like I did unless of course they had no choice but to go on because they needed the income.

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Archio 9y ago

Here's what I don't understand. Traditionally male-dominated fields rife with harassment issues - like law and medicine - now have much less of a problem, because the gender ratio has been somewhat normalized. Tech companies are actually becoming MORE male dominated - yet medicine and law would be put to shame by the sheer amount of mental and financial resources that tech companies pour into diversity efforts nowadays. What is different about the tech industry that girls graduating high school are happy to go into studying medicine or law, but don't want to study computer science? It seems the problem starts far before most people think that it does.

neo4sure 9y ago
I can understand it by looking at my own daughters. Without a substantial effort from my part, they tend to gravitate towards nontechnical subjects. Peer pressure, influence from media all play a part in this. The issue is bigger than just a few techi bro's.
- mcv 9y ago
  Absolutely. It's a society-wide cultural problem. And both the tech bros, the media image, and the idea that women don't belong there, are bad at it or shouldn't want to be there, are the products of that. Software is one of the few areas where female participation has actually gone down since the 1980s. There used to be more female programmers.
dsfjksdf 9y ago
Law and medicine are high status jobs, with a lot of people interactions. Yes, programmers have meetings. Not the same level of interaction as medicine, by a long stretch. There are many TV shows glorifying medicine and law. How many TV shows glorify the job of a programmer? How would you make a TV show glorifying the job of a programmer?
- Archio 9y ago
  So why do young men study CS in college if programmers aren't glorified? Not to mention that being a "nerd" and "computer whiz" has never been a culturally attractive label, no matter what people might say today.

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Maken 9y ago

Well, some people is stronger than others to social pressure. Anyway, the author is not saying that sexual harassment doesn't exist nor it does not matter, but that even putting those aside maybe engineering is just not an attractive field for women. That said, I don't know if I buy that you have to be a dedicated geek to be in engineering.