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Maybe this isn't the public perception of tech jobs, but as a software engineer at my current company I collaborate far more than I did in my previous career as

Maybe this isn't the public perception of tech jobs, but as a software engineer at my current company I collaborate far more than I did in my previous career as a consultant, have more opportunities to be creative, and get an extremely flexible schedule. Even if you accept that there are biological differences between the sexes, the hypothesis that stereotypically female attributes/desires are not as compatible with tech jobs strikes me as very wrong.

mpweiher 9y ago
First, see Jordan Peterson's interview with James Damore, where he goes through the memo almost line-by-line. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEDuVF7kiPU&spfreload=10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEDuVF7kiPU&spfreload=10 Second, he doesn't say that "female attributes/desires are not as compatible with tech jobs", at least not as you define them. These are his suggestions for improving diversity: "Women on average show a higher interest in people and men in things ○ We can make software engineering more people-oriented with pair programming and more collaboration. Unfortunately, there may be limits to how people-oriented certain roles at Google can be and we shouldn't deceive ourselves or students into thinking otherwise (some of our programs to get female students into coding might be doing this). ● Women on average are more cooperative ○ Allow those exhibiting cooperative behavior to thrive. Recent updates to Perf may be doing this to an extent, but maybe there's more we can do. " You are saying this is already the case at your workplace. Awesome, you already have what he suggests. Why is what he suggest wrong-headed??
- seaknoll 9y ago
  I'm saying that IMO, the very nature of the job is compatible with the traits that he says are more common in women. I don't think that my company is an outlier here.
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- gthtjtkt 9y ago
  > Second, he doesn't say that "female attributes/desires are not as compatible with tech jobs", at least not as you define them. But that's what I read in all the Tweets! Are you telling me their self-righteous outrage was really just opportunistic moral grandstanding!? It can't be true! /s Seriously, these people are all just proving his point. Ignore the facts, call him sexist, get him fired, then move on to the next target.

mpweiher 9y ago

First, see Jordan Peterson's interview with James Damore, where he goes through the memo almost line-by-line. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEDuVF7kiPU&spfreload=10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEDuVF7kiPU&spfreload=10 Second, he doesn't say that "female attributes/desires are not as compatible with tech jobs", at least not as you define them. These are his suggestions for improving diversity: "Women on average show a higher interest in people and men in things ○ We can make software engineering more people-oriented with pair programming and more collaboration. Unfortunately, there may be limits to how people-oriented certain roles at Google can be and we shouldn't deceive ourselves or students into thinking otherwise (some of our programs to get female students into coding might be doing this). ● Women on average are more cooperative ○ Allow those exhibiting cooperative behavior to thrive. Recent updates to Perf may be doing this to an extent, but maybe there's more we can do. " You are saying this is already the case at your workplace. Awesome, you already have what he suggests. Why is what he suggest wrong-headed??

seaknoll 9y ago
I'm saying that IMO, the very nature of the job is compatible with the traits that he says are more common in women. I don't think that my company is an outlier here.
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gthtjtkt 9y ago
> Second, he doesn't say that "female attributes/desires are not as compatible with tech jobs", at least not as you define them. But that's what I read in all the Tweets! Are you telling me their self-righteous outrage was really just opportunistic moral grandstanding!? It can't be true! /s Seriously, these people are all just proving his point. Ignore the facts, call him sexist, get him fired, then move on to the next target.