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Not a massive fan of clojures syntax though - that example is like bracket city!

by kouPhax 16y ago

stanleydrew 16y ago
People say similar things about javascript.
twism 16y ago
Counted the same number of brackets in both Node.JS and Clojure examples.
- kouPhax 16y ago
  That may be but it doesn't stop the clojure code looking messy IMHO. Feels less structured (again IMHO)
  - khingebjerg 16y ago
    In my eyes it's more structured, since it's all data structures.
    - abp 16y ago
      This sounds like: I don't know how clojure works. I know how clojure works. ...
francoisdevlin 16y ago
It's not bracket city, those are all Clojure data structures. The example could also be written like this: http://gist.github.com/468107 http://gist.github.com/468107 Code is data :)
compay 16y ago
Syntax aesthetics shouldn't be an important metric for technology choices.
- kouPhax 16y ago
  They "shouldn't" be, but more often than not they are. At least in my experience of try to introduce people to new languages/technologies.
- Calamitous 16y ago
  Why not? Aesthetics improve readability and maintainability, (probably) trading out for less raw speed. If I'm less concerned about performance than maintainability, why shouldn't aesthetics play a large role in my decision?
  - deleted 16y ago
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  - nullstyle 16y ago
    For me, unfamiliarity with a syntax is easy to confuse as poor aesthetics of the syntax. I got to the point of understanding and enjoying clojure's syntax very quickly.
  - compay 16y ago
    Because it can lead you to make arbitrary choices. People usually disagree vehemently on matters of aesthetics. I didn't say it shouldn't play any role, it just shouldn't be an important one. Focus too much on syntax over semantics and you're bikeshedding.
    - LaPingvino 16y ago
      I get lost easily in non-lisp-code nowadays =x The unwritten standard for lisp indentation works out quite readably
- InclinedPlane 16y ago
  Counter-point: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck
  - 16y ago

Not a massive fan of clojures syntax though - that example is like bracket city!

by kouPhax 16y ago

Not a massive fan of clojures syntax though - that example is like bracket city!

stanleydrew 16y ago

People say similar things about javascript.

twism 16y ago

Counted the same number of brackets in both Node.JS and Clojure examples.

kouPhax 16y ago
That may be but it doesn't stop the clojure code looking messy IMHO. Feels less structured (again IMHO)
- khingebjerg 16y ago
  In my eyes it's more structured, since it's all data structures.
  - abp 16y ago
    This sounds like: I don't know how clojure works. I know how clojure works. ...

francoisdevlin 16y ago

It's not bracket city, those are all Clojure data structures. The example could also be written like this: http://gist.github.com/468107 http://gist.github.com/468107 Code is data :)

compay 16y ago

Syntax aesthetics shouldn't be an important metric for technology choices.

kouPhax 16y ago
They "shouldn't" be, but more often than not they are. At least in my experience of try to introduce people to new languages/technologies.
Calamitous 16y ago
Why not? Aesthetics improve readability and maintainability, (probably) trading out for less raw speed. If I'm less concerned about performance than maintainability, why shouldn't aesthetics play a large role in my decision?
- deleted 16y ago
  [deleted]
- nullstyle 16y ago
  For me, unfamiliarity with a syntax is easy to confuse as poor aesthetics of the syntax. I got to the point of understanding and enjoying clojure's syntax very quickly.
- compay 16y ago
  Because it can lead you to make arbitrary choices. People usually disagree vehemently on matters of aesthetics. I didn't say it shouldn't play any role, it just shouldn't be an important one. Focus too much on syntax over semantics and you're bikeshedding.
  - LaPingvino 16y ago
    I get lost easily in non-lisp-code nowadays =x The unwritten standard for lisp indentation works out quite readably
InclinedPlane 16y ago
Counter-point: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck
- 16y ago