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In modern days, suppressing free speech is 90% a leftist thing.

by monochromatic 9y ago

waistland01 9y ago
you might want to step outside friend, your 4chan is showing
- allengeorge 9y ago
  Anecdotally, I've noticed more people from the left of the political spectrum being less tolerant of any view that doesn't mirror their own. Note that I'm not saying all. And, people can be left on some issues, and even then, the degree varies.
  - SippinLean 9y ago
    Anecdotal evidence may be unreliable due to cherry-picked or otherwise non-representative samples of typical cases.
travmatt 9y ago
Didn't a republican congressman literally commit a violent assault on a reporter, and then win accolades by the right and get rewarded for it? Do you believe violent assaults chill free speech?
- deleted 9y ago
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- mistermann 9y ago
  That would fall within the 10%.
- monochromatic 9y ago
  I didn't say 100%.
  - travmatt 9y ago
    And didn't the president promise to pay the legal defense of supporters of his who committed violence on his behalf to intimidate a free press? It seems you have an odd system of weighting where college kids policing language is weighted very heavily, and elected officials committing and advocating violence to further political goals weighs very lightly. I'm beginning to suspect your analysis is more driven by how you feel than tangible consequences.
    - monochromatic 9y ago
      > And didn't the president promise to pay the legal defense of supporters of his who committed violence on his behalf to intimidate a free press? Not to my knowledge. Are you talking about when he (perhaps jokingly) said: > So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them. I will pay for the legal fees.
      - dsfyu404ed 9y ago
        > So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them. I will pay for the legal fees. Biden could say that at a state dinner and nobody would blink twice
        monochromatic 9y ago
        Nobody has a sense of humor when it comes to President Trump.
- dsfyu404ed 9y ago
  You know what they say about black people leaving the hood? Well there's parallels for a lot of groups. Some cops find new careers as politicians and then threaten reporters who ask questions they don't want to answer because that's what cops often do (I know I'm over-generalizing).
dyarosla 9y ago
This comment is highly opinionated and only further contributes to the left/right rhetoric.
root_axis 9y ago
Hardly, it's just that the left are bigger hypocrites because free-speech is ostensibly a core tenant of liberalism, however, conservative ideology rejected free-speech as a value long ago. The only reason these liberal anti-speech protests make the news is because colleges invite speakers to their campuses. Imagine how conservatives would react if Richard Dawkins or Bill Maher tried to give a speech in a Christian church? Imagine the reaction if liberal thinkers spoke up during church sermons to exclaim that scientific evidence conflicts with many contemporary religious ideas. This never happens because they're never invited or welcome to do so, thus conservatives are able to relish the comfort of their safe-spaces while lambasting liberals for protesting openly antagonistic speakers like Ann Coulter on college campuses. It's a well established fact that conservatives are, at a minimum, just as guilty of hostility to ideas they don't like as liberals. Consider Megyn Kelly, a celebrated conservative journalist whose career was completely destroyed simply because she asked Trump some tough questions. Consider Tomi Lahren who was a cherished conservative icon until she came out in support of abortion based on her conservative principles of individual freedom... following that expression of free speech she was squeezed out of her job and destroyed in the conservative press. Consider Gretchen Carlson who was humiliated and dragged through the mud in conservative circles after she spoke out about her own experiences with sexual harassment in the workplace. Consider John McCain who is regularly blasted as a RINO because he occasionally takes an action that is not in complete lockstep with the party line. Consider Glenn Beck who was on the receiving end of boycotts and death threats because early on, he spoke out against Trump in favor of the eminently conservative Ted Cruz! Consider Ted Cruz himself who was literally booed off stage during the RNC because he dared to instruct the audience to "vote with your conscience" instead of blindly praising Trump. The list goes on and on, so I have to reject your assertion that "suppressing free speech is 90% leftist" as utter ignorance.
AlexandrB 9y ago
Oh please. Take a look at the constant right-wing rhetoric around banning flag burning, shutting down "unpatriotic" speech, or regulating the free press. And remember that one of Trump's big promises was "opening up libel laws"[1]. Edit: Also who could forget the brouhaha around the Dixie Chicks after they said something bad about George W. Bush [2]. That incident foreshadowed the kind of tactics that are common on the left now. [1] http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/02/donald-trump-libel-laws-219866 http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/02/donald-trump-... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Chicks:_Shut_Up_and_Sing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Chicks:_Shut_Up_and_Sing

In modern days, suppressing free speech is 90% a leftist thing.

waistland01 9y ago

you might want to step outside friend, your 4chan is showing

allengeorge 9y ago
Anecdotally, I've noticed more people from the left of the political spectrum being less tolerant of any view that doesn't mirror their own. Note that I'm not saying all. And, people can be left on some issues, and even then, the degree varies.
- SippinLean 9y ago
  Anecdotal evidence may be unreliable due to cherry-picked or otherwise non-representative samples of typical cases.

travmatt 9y ago

Didn't a republican congressman literally commit a violent assault on a reporter, and then win accolades by the right and get rewarded for it? Do you believe violent assaults chill free speech?

deleted 9y ago
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mistermann 9y ago
That would fall within the 10%.
monochromatic 9y ago
I didn't say 100%.
- travmatt 9y ago
  And didn't the president promise to pay the legal defense of supporters of his who committed violence on his behalf to intimidate a free press? It seems you have an odd system of weighting where college kids policing language is weighted very heavily, and elected officials committing and advocating violence to further political goals weighs very lightly. I'm beginning to suspect your analysis is more driven by how you feel than tangible consequences.
  - monochromatic 9y ago
    > And didn't the president promise to pay the legal defense of supporters of his who committed violence on his behalf to intimidate a free press? Not to my knowledge. Are you talking about when he (perhaps jokingly) said: > So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them. I will pay for the legal fees.
    - dsfyu404ed 9y ago
      > So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them. I will pay for the legal fees. Biden could say that at a state dinner and nobody would blink twice
      - monochromatic 9y ago
        Nobody has a sense of humor when it comes to President Trump.
dsfyu404ed 9y ago
You know what they say about black people leaving the hood? Well there's parallels for a lot of groups. Some cops find new careers as politicians and then threaten reporters who ask questions they don't want to answer because that's what cops often do (I know I'm over-generalizing).

dyarosla 9y ago

This comment is highly opinionated and only further contributes to the left/right rhetoric.

root_axis 9y ago

Hardly, it's just that the left are bigger hypocrites because free-speech is ostensibly a core tenant of liberalism, however, conservative ideology rejected free-speech as a value long ago. The only reason these liberal anti-speech protests make the news is because colleges invite speakers to their campuses. Imagine how conservatives would react if Richard Dawkins or Bill Maher tried to give a speech in a Christian church? Imagine the reaction if liberal thinkers spoke up during church sermons to exclaim that scientific evidence conflicts with many contemporary religious ideas. This never happens because they're never invited or welcome to do so, thus conservatives are able to relish the comfort of their safe-spaces while lambasting liberals for protesting openly antagonistic speakers like Ann Coulter on college campuses. It's a well established fact that conservatives are, at a minimum, just as guilty of hostility to ideas they don't like as liberals. Consider Megyn Kelly, a celebrated conservative journalist whose career was completely destroyed simply because she asked Trump some tough questions. Consider Tomi Lahren who was a cherished conservative icon until she came out in support of abortion based on her conservative principles of individual freedom... following that expression of free speech she was squeezed out of her job and destroyed in the conservative press. Consider Gretchen Carlson who was humiliated and dragged through the mud in conservative circles after she spoke out about her own experiences with sexual harassment in the workplace. Consider John McCain who is regularly blasted as a RINO because he occasionally takes an action that is not in complete lockstep with the party line. Consider Glenn Beck who was on the receiving end of boycotts and death threats because early on, he spoke out against Trump in favor of the eminently conservative Ted Cruz! Consider Ted Cruz himself who was literally booed off stage during the RNC because he dared to instruct the audience to "vote with your conscience" instead of blindly praising Trump. The list goes on and on, so I have to reject your assertion that "suppressing free speech is 90% leftist" as utter ignorance.

AlexandrB 9y ago

Oh please. Take a look at the constant right-wing rhetoric around banning flag burning, shutting down "unpatriotic" speech, or regulating the free press. And remember that one of Trump's big promises was "opening up libel laws"[1]. Edit: Also who could forget the brouhaha around the Dixie Chicks after they said something bad about George W. Bush [2]. That incident foreshadowed the kind of tactics that are common on the left now. [1] http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/02/donald-trump-libel-laws-219866 http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/02/donald-trump-... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Chicks:_Shut_Up_and_Sing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Chicks:_Shut_Up_and_Sing