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"I have found a single sample from which I will generalize broadly about the entire country."

leereeves 9y ago
Do you have any examples of people punished for supporting Clinton? I'd be interested to hear about them; I'm not aware of any.
- and0 9y ago
  The far left is dunking on the center / Clinton establishment pretty hard all across the internet, which has been immensely satisfying. That being said, Clinton was pretty tepid and corrupt, not openly offensive and terrifying the way Trump is. Unless you're REALLY desperate you can't honestly say supporting one or the other is the same.
  - boobsbr 9y ago
    > not openly offensive Basket of deplorables...
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  - leereeves 9y ago
    Clinton was pretty terrifying in a different way. A big part of her campaign strategy was to generalize from a few actual white supremacists and paint everyone who opposed her as a deplorable sexist Nazi white-supremacist who couldn't stand the idea of a woman President. That kind of McCarthyism is always a threat, but it was doubly dangerous in the current environment, with leftist groups declaring that violence was justified against anyone they thought fit that description.
    - and0 9y ago
      The "basket of deplorables" remark was accurate as hell and hilarious, but you're wildly exaggerating anything she actually claimed. Sounds like you're still stuck in an echo chamber where people blew her beliefs out of proportion, probably most of it being attributed to her most extreme followers. Trump, meanwhile, actually hired open white nationalists and people with Nazi ties. Cool! The existential threat from Clinton was definitely the same because she.. opposed exactly that.
      - leereeves 9y ago
        I'm not just talking about that one remark. > “I suppose it’s fair to say: don’t you someday want to see a woman president?” Hillary repeatedly pressed the "I'm a woman" button, and the "Trump supporters are white supremacists" button. Then she generalized to insult all Trump supporters with remarks like the one you mentioned. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/donald-trump-pepe-the-frog-and-white-supremacists-an-explainer/ https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/donald-trump-pepe-the-fr... https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/theres-a-reason-why-white-supremacists-like-donald-trump/ https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/theres-a-reason-why-whit... My opinions here aren't based on "an echo chamber" but on her own words and her own site.
        and0 9y ago
        Oh dear, she claimed white supremacists liked Donald Trump. That's some serious egg on her face, seeing as he hasn't filled his cabinet and White House with white supremacists and people with Nazi since being elected, which I literally mentioned in the comment you replied to. Serious bungle on her part.
        leereeves 9y ago
        He's filled his cabinet with Nazis? For example?
      - marcoperaza 9y ago
        >Trump, meanwhile, actually hired open white nationalists and people with Nazi ties. That's just not true, unless you use a twisted definition of "white nationalist" that means "anyone who has ever said anything acknowledging that white people are a group with interests".
- danso 9y ago
  In what situations would people be punished for supporting Clinton? In the case of Hastings and Thiel and the Facebook board of directors, correct me if I'm wrong, but Trump winning the presidency didn't change the membership of Facebook's directors or their political leanings. Sorry, are you unaware of any people who've been attacked by Trump supporters? Really? Besides the obvious politicians (Senator Ben Sasse, for example), there are viral incidents like these: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/11/29/woman-claims-discrimination-declares-and-i-voted-for-trump-so-there-in-viral-michaels-rant/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/11/2...
  - leereeves 9y ago
    > there are viral incidents like these: Putting aside the question of why she felt she was being discriminated against, that's a story about a woman who said some nasty things. Is that the worst of it? Hardly comparable to what's been done to Trump supporters.
    - danso 9y ago
      No, that's not the worst of it. But back to the matter at hand. You seem to be arguing that Thiel faced particular abuse for being a Trump supporter, given the example of Reed Hastings calling him out after Trump secured the Republican nomination (the GP comment [0]). I think it's worth pointing out the pre-conditions in this situation: Thiel, a known conservative, is allowed to serve on the board of directors for one of the biggest institutions (Facebook) in one of America's most famously liberal enclaves [1]. When it's revealed that he's a Trump backer, the liberals, who far outnumber those of Thiel's mindset in his peer group, threaten to kick him out. And let's be fair, Thiel is by far not the only example, as similar liberal outrages have been inflicted upon conservatives in other liberal enclaves, such as Hollywood. But that's exactly what happened to the Clinton-supporting members on the board of directors for Hobby Lobby and the NRA. Oh wait, no such Clinton-supporting members exist. At least that we know of. If those conservative institutions could even tolerate a Clinton-suppporting board member in the first place, I imagine those Clinton-supporting members would face the same kind of backlash from their colleagues that Thiel faced from his for supporting Trump. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14968956 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14968956 [1] https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/nearly-all-of-silicon-valleys-political-dollars-are-going-to-hillary-clinton/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/nearly-all-of-silicon-v...

Do you have any examples of people punished for supporting Clinton? I'd be interested to hear about them; I'm not aware of any.

and0 9y ago
The far left is dunking on the center / Clinton establishment pretty hard all across the internet, which has been immensely satisfying. That being said, Clinton was pretty tepid and corrupt, not openly offensive and terrifying the way Trump is. Unless you're REALLY desperate you can't honestly say supporting one or the other is the same.
- boobsbr 9y ago
  > not openly offensive Basket of deplorables...
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- leereeves 9y ago
  Clinton was pretty terrifying in a different way. A big part of her campaign strategy was to generalize from a few actual white supremacists and paint everyone who opposed her as a deplorable sexist Nazi white-supremacist who couldn't stand the idea of a woman President. That kind of McCarthyism is always a threat, but it was doubly dangerous in the current environment, with leftist groups declaring that violence was justified against anyone they thought fit that description.
  - and0 9y ago
    The "basket of deplorables" remark was accurate as hell and hilarious, but you're wildly exaggerating anything she actually claimed. Sounds like you're still stuck in an echo chamber where people blew her beliefs out of proportion, probably most of it being attributed to her most extreme followers. Trump, meanwhile, actually hired open white nationalists and people with Nazi ties. Cool! The existential threat from Clinton was definitely the same because she.. opposed exactly that.
    - leereeves 9y ago
      I'm not just talking about that one remark. > “I suppose it’s fair to say: don’t you someday want to see a woman president?” Hillary repeatedly pressed the "I'm a woman" button, and the "Trump supporters are white supremacists" button. Then she generalized to insult all Trump supporters with remarks like the one you mentioned. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/donald-trump-pepe-the-frog-and-white-supremacists-an-explainer/ https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/donald-trump-pepe-the-fr... https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/theres-a-reason-why-white-supremacists-like-donald-trump/ https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/theres-a-reason-why-whit... My opinions here aren't based on "an echo chamber" but on her own words and her own site.
      - and0 9y ago
        Oh dear, she claimed white supremacists liked Donald Trump. That's some serious egg on her face, seeing as he hasn't filled his cabinet and White House with white supremacists and people with Nazi since being elected, which I literally mentioned in the comment you replied to. Serious bungle on her part.
        leereeves 9y ago
        He's filled his cabinet with Nazis? For example?
    - marcoperaza 9y ago
      >Trump, meanwhile, actually hired open white nationalists and people with Nazi ties. That's just not true, unless you use a twisted definition of "white nationalist" that means "anyone who has ever said anything acknowledging that white people are a group with interests".
danso 9y ago
In what situations would people be punished for supporting Clinton? In the case of Hastings and Thiel and the Facebook board of directors, correct me if I'm wrong, but Trump winning the presidency didn't change the membership of Facebook's directors or their political leanings. Sorry, are you unaware of any people who've been attacked by Trump supporters? Really? Besides the obvious politicians (Senator Ben Sasse, for example), there are viral incidents like these: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/11/29/woman-claims-discrimination-declares-and-i-voted-for-trump-so-there-in-viral-michaels-rant/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/11/2...
- leereeves 9y ago
  > there are viral incidents like these: Putting aside the question of why she felt she was being discriminated against, that's a story about a woman who said some nasty things. Is that the worst of it? Hardly comparable to what's been done to Trump supporters.
  - danso 9y ago
    No, that's not the worst of it. But back to the matter at hand. You seem to be arguing that Thiel faced particular abuse for being a Trump supporter, given the example of Reed Hastings calling him out after Trump secured the Republican nomination (the GP comment [0]). I think it's worth pointing out the pre-conditions in this situation: Thiel, a known conservative, is allowed to serve on the board of directors for one of the biggest institutions (Facebook) in one of America's most famously liberal enclaves [1]. When it's revealed that he's a Trump backer, the liberals, who far outnumber those of Thiel's mindset in his peer group, threaten to kick him out. And let's be fair, Thiel is by far not the only example, as similar liberal outrages have been inflicted upon conservatives in other liberal enclaves, such as Hollywood. But that's exactly what happened to the Clinton-supporting members on the board of directors for Hobby Lobby and the NRA. Oh wait, no such Clinton-supporting members exist. At least that we know of. If those conservative institutions could even tolerate a Clinton-suppporting board member in the first place, I imagine those Clinton-supporting members would face the same kind of backlash from their colleagues that Thiel faced from his for supporting Trump. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14968956 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14968956 [1] https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/nearly-all-of-silicon-valleys-political-dollars-are-going-to-hillary-clinton/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/nearly-all-of-silicon-v...