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> Netflix’s Mr. Hastings warned Mr. Thiel last August, a few weeks after Mr. Trump had accepted the Republican nomination for president, that he would face cons

> Netflix’s Mr. Hastings warned Mr. Thiel last August, a few weeks after Mr. Trump had accepted the Republican nomination for president, that he would face consequences for backing Mr. Trump. > In contrast, Mr. Hastings, a supporter of Hillary Clinton ... From my PoV, the fact that Hastings has received no backlash for supporting Clinton after Trump won, is a sign that right-wingers/conservatives/Trump supporters are more tolerant of the opinions of left-wingers/liberals/progressives/Clinton supporters than the other way around.

mbillie1 9y ago
"I have found a single sample from which I will generalize broadly about the entire country."
- leereeves 9y ago
  Do you have any examples of people punished for supporting Clinton? I'd be interested to hear about them; I'm not aware of any.
  - and0 9y ago
    The far left is dunking on the center / Clinton establishment pretty hard all across the internet, which has been immensely satisfying. That being said, Clinton was pretty tepid and corrupt, not openly offensive and terrifying the way Trump is. Unless you're REALLY desperate you can't honestly say supporting one or the other is the same.
    - boobsbr 9y ago
      > not openly offensive Basket of deplorables...
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    - leereeves 9y ago
      Clinton was pretty terrifying in a different way. A big part of her campaign strategy was to generalize from a few actual white supremacists and paint everyone who opposed her as a deplorable sexist Nazi white-supremacist who couldn't stand the idea of a woman President. That kind of McCarthyism is always a threat, but it was doubly dangerous in the current environment, with leftist groups declaring that violence was justified against anyone they thought fit that description.
      - and0 9y ago
        The "basket of deplorables" remark was accurate as hell and hilarious, but you're wildly exaggerating anything she actually claimed. Sounds like you're still stuck in an echo chamber where people blew her beliefs out of proportion, probably most of it being attributed to her most extreme followers. Trump, meanwhile, actually hired open white nationalists and people with Nazi ties. Cool! The existential threat from Clinton was definitely the same because she.. opposed exactly that.
        leereeves 9y ago
        I'm not just talking about that one remark. > “I suppose it’s fair to say: don’t you someday want to see a woman president?” Hillary repeatedly pressed the "I'm a woman" button, and the "Trump supporters are white supremacists" button. Then she generalized to insult all Trump supporters with remarks like the one you mentioned. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/donald-trump-pepe-the-frog-and-white-supremacists-an-explainer/ https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/donald-trump-pepe-the-fr... https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/theres-a-reason-why-white-supremacists-like-donald-trump/ https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/theres-a-reason-why-whit... My opinions here aren't based on "an echo chamber" but on her own words and her own site.
        and0 9y ago
        Oh dear, she claimed white supremacists liked Donald Trump. That's some serious egg on her face, seeing as he hasn't filled his cabinet and White House with white supremacists and people with Nazi since being elected, which I literally mentioned in the comment you replied to. Serious bungle on her part.
  - danso 9y ago
    In what situations would people be punished for supporting Clinton? In the case of Hastings and Thiel and the Facebook board of directors, correct me if I'm wrong, but Trump winning the presidency didn't change the membership of Facebook's directors or their political leanings. Sorry, are you unaware of any people who've been attacked by Trump supporters? Really? Besides the obvious politicians (Senator Ben Sasse, for example), there are viral incidents like these: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/11/29/woman-claims-discrimination-declares-and-i-voted-for-trump-so-there-in-viral-michaels-rant/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/11/2...
    - leereeves 9y ago
      > there are viral incidents like these: Putting aside the question of why she felt she was being discriminated against, that's a story about a woman who said some nasty things. Is that the worst of it? Hardly comparable to what's been done to Trump supporters.
      - danso 9y ago
        No, that's not the worst of it. But back to the matter at hand. You seem to be arguing that Thiel faced particular abuse for being a Trump supporter, given the example of Reed Hastings calling him out after Trump secured the Republican nomination (the GP comment [0]). I think it's worth pointing out the pre-conditions in this situation: Thiel, a known conservative, is allowed to serve on the board of directors for one of the biggest institutions (Facebook) in one of America's most famously liberal enclaves [1]. When it's revealed that he's a Trump backer, the liberals, who far outnumber those of Thiel's mindset in his peer group, threaten to kick him out. And let's be fair, Thiel is by far not the only example, as similar liberal outrages have been inflicted upon conservatives in other liberal enclaves, such as Hollywood. But that's exactly what happened to the Clinton-supporting members on the board of directors for Hobby Lobby and the NRA. Oh wait, no such Clinton-supporting members exist. At least that we know of. If those conservative institutions could even tolerate a Clinton-suppporting board member in the first place, I imagine those Clinton-supporting members would face the same kind of backlash from their colleagues that Thiel faced from his for supporting Trump. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14968956 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14968956 [1] https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/nearly-all-of-silicon-valleys-political-dollars-are-going-to-hillary-clinton/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/nearly-all-of-silicon-v...
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marcoperaza 9y ago
Right-leaning professionals who live in major urban areas are completely surrounded by left-leaning people: almost all of their colleagues, friends, bosses, etc. I know many conservatives in these environments who would never admit it outside of a very trusted circle. They would never think of making their job a platform for their views, like left-leaning people routinely do (often at the encouragement of management and HR). They fear precisely what happened to this Google engineer: a smear campaign, weaponized outrage, and a ruined career. I'm sure there's challenges to being a left-leaning person in rural Georgia. But moving to rural Georgia isn't necessary, or really even an option, for people seeking economic mobility.
- cableshaft 9y ago
  Weaponized outrage online has become a real problem, no matter your leanings. Or I prefer to call it the "Outrage of the Day" or even the daily "Two Minutes Hate" since people only seem to be outraged at that issue for about a day before finding some new shiny thing to be outraged about. But it can really screw up people's lives in that short period of time, and scares everyone into not sharing any potentially controversial views in public nowadays, which I find disconcerting living in a country that's supposed to hold Freedom of Speech as one of its highest values (yes, I know freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences, but the consequences have gotten extremely severe, career ending in a lot of cases, for statements that are sometimes taken out of context). I'd rather people see these statements they dislike as an opportunity to engage in discourse and try to change these people's minds, instead of swift retribution, often without examination of how guilty the people in question actually are, just being told they're guilty by some random person they like on the internet is often enough to get them to jump on board. It's especially concerning considering a lot of these people turning their shame button up to 11 consider themselves to be religious people, and most religions tend to espouse not letting yourself get swept up in hatred and casting stones at others. I'm not particularly religious, but I still don't think it's a healthy mentality to have, and I've had to ignore and heavily filter my social media in order to not see this presented to me every day, and even then I still get a lot of it shoved in my face (I can only imagine what all a person who actively looks for these things must see). The Two Minutes Hate seems more and more appropriate the more I reflect on it. Here's a quote about it from 1984: "The horrible thing about the Two Minutes Hate was not that one was obliged to act a part, but that it was impossible to avoid joining in. Within thirty seconds any pretence was always unnecessary. A hideous ecstasy of fear and vindictiveness, a desire to kill, to torture, to smash faces in with a sledge hammer, seemed to flow through the whole group of people like an electric current, turning one even against one's will into a grimacing, screaming lunatic. And yet the rage that one felt was an abstract, undirected emotion which could be switched from one object to another like the flame of a blowlamp."
cableshaft 9y ago
That's because the election was over, and they got to taste victory, at least for a little while. Most people don't feel the need to lash out at other people when everything just went their way.
tangent128 9y ago
From my point of view, the religion-proxy-based travel ban, the abandonment of the Paris agreement, the attempt to dismantle the ACA, the (so-far attempted) banning of transgender soldiers, the refusal of the Census office to collect LGBT+ statistics, and the stepping-up of civil forfeiture, are all signs that right-wingers/conservatives are not tolerant of the existence of many people, let alone the opinions of left. I desperately hope this is not, in fact, the prevailing sentiment of half the country. But to be convinced, I could really use examples of right-wing politicians affirming that LGBT+ people, the non-Christian religious , and people who can't afford their own living expenses are welcome in society.
matt4077 9y ago
Are these the tolerant right-wingers still chanting "lock her up" and wearing "kill all the liberals" t-shirts[0] at those space-time-confusing election rallies Trump does? 0: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/the-trump-show-that-never-ends/536178/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/the-tru...

mbillie1 9y ago

"I have found a single sample from which I will generalize broadly about the entire country."

leereeves 9y ago
Do you have any examples of people punished for supporting Clinton? I'd be interested to hear about them; I'm not aware of any.
- and0 9y ago
  The far left is dunking on the center / Clinton establishment pretty hard all across the internet, which has been immensely satisfying. That being said, Clinton was pretty tepid and corrupt, not openly offensive and terrifying the way Trump is. Unless you're REALLY desperate you can't honestly say supporting one or the other is the same.
  - boobsbr 9y ago
    > not openly offensive Basket of deplorables...
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  - leereeves 9y ago
    Clinton was pretty terrifying in a different way. A big part of her campaign strategy was to generalize from a few actual white supremacists and paint everyone who opposed her as a deplorable sexist Nazi white-supremacist who couldn't stand the idea of a woman President. That kind of McCarthyism is always a threat, but it was doubly dangerous in the current environment, with leftist groups declaring that violence was justified against anyone they thought fit that description.
    - and0 9y ago
      The "basket of deplorables" remark was accurate as hell and hilarious, but you're wildly exaggerating anything she actually claimed. Sounds like you're still stuck in an echo chamber where people blew her beliefs out of proportion, probably most of it being attributed to her most extreme followers. Trump, meanwhile, actually hired open white nationalists and people with Nazi ties. Cool! The existential threat from Clinton was definitely the same because she.. opposed exactly that.
      - leereeves 9y ago
        I'm not just talking about that one remark. > “I suppose it’s fair to say: don’t you someday want to see a woman president?” Hillary repeatedly pressed the "I'm a woman" button, and the "Trump supporters are white supremacists" button. Then she generalized to insult all Trump supporters with remarks like the one you mentioned. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/donald-trump-pepe-the-frog-and-white-supremacists-an-explainer/ https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/donald-trump-pepe-the-fr... https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/theres-a-reason-why-white-supremacists-like-donald-trump/ https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/theres-a-reason-why-whit... My opinions here aren't based on "an echo chamber" but on her own words and her own site.
        and0 9y ago
        Oh dear, she claimed white supremacists liked Donald Trump. That's some serious egg on her face, seeing as he hasn't filled his cabinet and White House with white supremacists and people with Nazi since being elected, which I literally mentioned in the comment you replied to. Serious bungle on her part.
- danso 9y ago
  In what situations would people be punished for supporting Clinton? In the case of Hastings and Thiel and the Facebook board of directors, correct me if I'm wrong, but Trump winning the presidency didn't change the membership of Facebook's directors or their political leanings. Sorry, are you unaware of any people who've been attacked by Trump supporters? Really? Besides the obvious politicians (Senator Ben Sasse, for example), there are viral incidents like these: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/11/29/woman-claims-discrimination-declares-and-i-voted-for-trump-so-there-in-viral-michaels-rant/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/11/2...
  - leereeves 9y ago
    > there are viral incidents like these: Putting aside the question of why she felt she was being discriminated against, that's a story about a woman who said some nasty things. Is that the worst of it? Hardly comparable to what's been done to Trump supporters.
    - danso 9y ago
      No, that's not the worst of it. But back to the matter at hand. You seem to be arguing that Thiel faced particular abuse for being a Trump supporter, given the example of Reed Hastings calling him out after Trump secured the Republican nomination (the GP comment [0]). I think it's worth pointing out the pre-conditions in this situation: Thiel, a known conservative, is allowed to serve on the board of directors for one of the biggest institutions (Facebook) in one of America's most famously liberal enclaves [1]. When it's revealed that he's a Trump backer, the liberals, who far outnumber those of Thiel's mindset in his peer group, threaten to kick him out. And let's be fair, Thiel is by far not the only example, as similar liberal outrages have been inflicted upon conservatives in other liberal enclaves, such as Hollywood. But that's exactly what happened to the Clinton-supporting members on the board of directors for Hobby Lobby and the NRA. Oh wait, no such Clinton-supporting members exist. At least that we know of. If those conservative institutions could even tolerate a Clinton-suppporting board member in the first place, I imagine those Clinton-supporting members would face the same kind of backlash from their colleagues that Thiel faced from his for supporting Trump. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14968956 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14968956 [1] https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/nearly-all-of-silicon-valleys-political-dollars-are-going-to-hillary-clinton/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/nearly-all-of-silicon-v...

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marcoperaza 9y ago

Right-leaning professionals who live in major urban areas are completely surrounded by left-leaning people: almost all of their colleagues, friends, bosses, etc. I know many conservatives in these environments who would never admit it outside of a very trusted circle. They would never think of making their job a platform for their views, like left-leaning people routinely do (often at the encouragement of management and HR). They fear precisely what happened to this Google engineer: a smear campaign, weaponized outrage, and a ruined career. I'm sure there's challenges to being a left-leaning person in rural Georgia. But moving to rural Georgia isn't necessary, or really even an option, for people seeking economic mobility.

cableshaft 9y ago
Weaponized outrage online has become a real problem, no matter your leanings. Or I prefer to call it the "Outrage of the Day" or even the daily "Two Minutes Hate" since people only seem to be outraged at that issue for about a day before finding some new shiny thing to be outraged about. But it can really screw up people's lives in that short period of time, and scares everyone into not sharing any potentially controversial views in public nowadays, which I find disconcerting living in a country that's supposed to hold Freedom of Speech as one of its highest values (yes, I know freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences, but the consequences have gotten extremely severe, career ending in a lot of cases, for statements that are sometimes taken out of context). I'd rather people see these statements they dislike as an opportunity to engage in discourse and try to change these people's minds, instead of swift retribution, often without examination of how guilty the people in question actually are, just being told they're guilty by some random person they like on the internet is often enough to get them to jump on board. It's especially concerning considering a lot of these people turning their shame button up to 11 consider themselves to be religious people, and most religions tend to espouse not letting yourself get swept up in hatred and casting stones at others. I'm not particularly religious, but I still don't think it's a healthy mentality to have, and I've had to ignore and heavily filter my social media in order to not see this presented to me every day, and even then I still get a lot of it shoved in my face (I can only imagine what all a person who actively looks for these things must see). The Two Minutes Hate seems more and more appropriate the more I reflect on it. Here's a quote about it from 1984: "The horrible thing about the Two Minutes Hate was not that one was obliged to act a part, but that it was impossible to avoid joining in. Within thirty seconds any pretence was always unnecessary. A hideous ecstasy of fear and vindictiveness, a desire to kill, to torture, to smash faces in with a sledge hammer, seemed to flow through the whole group of people like an electric current, turning one even against one's will into a grimacing, screaming lunatic. And yet the rage that one felt was an abstract, undirected emotion which could be switched from one object to another like the flame of a blowlamp."

cableshaft 9y ago

That's because the election was over, and they got to taste victory, at least for a little while. Most people don't feel the need to lash out at other people when everything just went their way.

tangent128 9y ago

From my point of view, the religion-proxy-based travel ban, the abandonment of the Paris agreement, the attempt to dismantle the ACA, the (so-far attempted) banning of transgender soldiers, the refusal of the Census office to collect LGBT+ statistics, and the stepping-up of civil forfeiture, are all signs that right-wingers/conservatives are not tolerant of the existence of many people, let alone the opinions of left. I desperately hope this is not, in fact, the prevailing sentiment of half the country. But to be convinced, I could really use examples of right-wing politicians affirming that LGBT+ people, the non-Christian religious , and people who can't afford their own living expenses are welcome in society.

matt4077 9y ago

Are these the tolerant right-wingers still chanting "lock her up" and wearing "kill all the liberals" t-shirts[0] at those space-time-confusing election rallies Trump does? 0: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/the-trump-show-that-never-ends/536178/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/the-tru...