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Please don't flag the article if you simply disagree. The key to changing minds is understanding the other side. Not shutting them out of the conversation.

by UK-AL 9y ago

return0 9y ago
Things like these don't belong to a corporate forum like HN
- UK-AL 9y ago
  This issue effects the entirety of technology sector which this forum represents a large group. Simply trying to deny the debate is not how you work things out. If anything that will just annoy the group more so.
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  - and0 9y ago
    I meant to respond to the response someone else made: It's not a debate to be won. Some people just keep insisting it is with this cloying, sweaty desperation. It's embarrassing, and it's awful that these Silicon Valley ghouls have so much power that we have to consider them at all. I read the article, it didn't have any real science and made a bunch of insane, half-baked assumptions. The guy is a dumbass and deserved to be fired.
    - monktastic1 9y ago
      In other words, you're the only sane one in this world full of crazy, stupid, sweaty, sexists, and you have every right to shut them up. Sounds like a scary place to be, and I'm genuinely sorry you find yourself there.
      - and0 9y ago
        Most people don't agree with the contents of the memo, or it's conclusion. But HN is filled with a specific breed of pseudo-intellectual that I will happily poke fun at whenever possible.
        dang 9y ago
        Isn't pseudo-intellectual a middlebrow term in its own right? In any case, commenters who use HN to posture over the rest of the HN community strike a rather silly pose. I hear Twitter is the place to do that for serious. (I believe we already told you this elsewhere, but) you've been posting such ideological flamebait to HN that your comments amount to trolling whether you mean them to or not. This isn't a question of how right or wrong you are—plenty of your fellow community members are arguing the same positions as you without violating the spirit of this site. If you'd like to participate in thoughtful discussion, you're welcome to keep commenting here. Kindly fix this? Admittedly these trainwreck threads have been pretty thin on thoughtful discussion, but even so, several of your posts stand out as poisonous.
      - dang 9y ago
        Personal attacks aren't allowed on HN, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you think they are. Please don't post like this again.
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wyclif 9y ago
I submitted this article an hour and a half before this duplicate submission, and it got flagged to oblivion. Telling. But I'm glad to see it's back now.
abhi3 9y ago
I flagged it. How many times do we need to have the same repetitive discussion? This topic is crowding out other quality submissions.
- wyclif 9y ago
  Stop flagging articles you don't agree with that discuss science. It's not how HN is supposed to work. According to the HN guidelines, flagging is for spam or off-topic submissions. This is neither.
  - jshevek 9y ago
    The circumstances surrounding James Damore's "google memo" are a fairly clear indicator that we have a growing subculture of absolute ideological intolerance, especially in the tech industry.
- UK-AL 9y ago
  This adds additional arguments to the discussion from a person who has a Ph.D in the area, and is the of the opposite gender of the original author. I have also seen articles about legal action being taken which was news to me, also being flagged down.
- peoplewindow 9y ago
  How many times do we need Rust vs Go vs whatever debates? HN has quite a lot of repetitive discussions, and that's OK. When people get bored they'll stop voting things up. "I am bored of this" doesn't seem like what the flagging mechanism is for, actually. Or would I be justified in flagging any story about Go because it happens to not be relevant to me and I think there's enough discussion of it already? Seems wrong.
- ebola1717 9y ago
  Yeah, this is the 8th article about the manifesto this morning, and adds nothing new to the conversation
- tenaciousDaniel 9y ago
mmirate 9y ago
IIRC, flagging has a lower karma threshold than downvoting.

Please don't flag the article if you simply disagree. The key to changing minds is understanding the other side. Not shutting them out of the conversation.

by UK-AL 9y ago

Please don't flag the article if you simply disagree. The key to changing minds is understanding the other side. Not shutting them out of the conversation.

return0 9y ago

Things like these don't belong to a corporate forum like HN

UK-AL 9y ago
This issue effects the entirety of technology sector which this forum represents a large group. Simply trying to deny the debate is not how you work things out. If anything that will just annoy the group more so.
- deleted 9y ago
  [deleted]
- deleted 9y ago
  [deleted]
- and0 9y ago
  I meant to respond to the response someone else made: It's not a debate to be won. Some people just keep insisting it is with this cloying, sweaty desperation. It's embarrassing, and it's awful that these Silicon Valley ghouls have so much power that we have to consider them at all. I read the article, it didn't have any real science and made a bunch of insane, half-baked assumptions. The guy is a dumbass and deserved to be fired.
  - monktastic1 9y ago
    In other words, you're the only sane one in this world full of crazy, stupid, sweaty, sexists, and you have every right to shut them up. Sounds like a scary place to be, and I'm genuinely sorry you find yourself there.
    - and0 9y ago
      Most people don't agree with the contents of the memo, or it's conclusion. But HN is filled with a specific breed of pseudo-intellectual that I will happily poke fun at whenever possible.
      - dang 9y ago
        Isn't pseudo-intellectual a middlebrow term in its own right? In any case, commenters who use HN to posture over the rest of the HN community strike a rather silly pose. I hear Twitter is the place to do that for serious. (I believe we already told you this elsewhere, but) you've been posting such ideological flamebait to HN that your comments amount to trolling whether you mean them to or not. This isn't a question of how right or wrong you are—plenty of your fellow community members are arguing the same positions as you without violating the spirit of this site. If you'd like to participate in thoughtful discussion, you're welcome to keep commenting here. Kindly fix this? Admittedly these trainwreck threads have been pretty thin on thoughtful discussion, but even so, several of your posts stand out as poisonous.
    - dang 9y ago
      Personal attacks aren't allowed on HN, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you think they are. Please don't post like this again.
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wyclif 9y ago

I submitted this article an hour and a half before this duplicate submission, and it got flagged to oblivion. Telling. But I'm glad to see it's back now.

abhi3 9y ago

I flagged it. How many times do we need to have the same repetitive discussion? This topic is crowding out other quality submissions.

wyclif 9y ago
Stop flagging articles you don't agree with that discuss science. It's not how HN is supposed to work. According to the HN guidelines, flagging is for spam or off-topic submissions. This is neither.
- jshevek 9y ago
  The circumstances surrounding James Damore's "google memo" are a fairly clear indicator that we have a growing subculture of absolute ideological intolerance, especially in the tech industry.
UK-AL 9y ago
This adds additional arguments to the discussion from a person who has a Ph.D in the area, and is the of the opposite gender of the original author. I have also seen articles about legal action being taken which was news to me, also being flagged down.
peoplewindow 9y ago
How many times do we need Rust vs Go vs whatever debates? HN has quite a lot of repetitive discussions, and that's OK. When people get bored they'll stop voting things up. "I am bored of this" doesn't seem like what the flagging mechanism is for, actually. Or would I be justified in flagging any story about Go because it happens to not be relevant to me and I think there's enough discussion of it already? Seems wrong.
ebola1717 9y ago
Yeah, this is the 8th article about the manifesto this morning, and adds nothing new to the conversation
tenaciousDaniel 9y ago

mmirate 9y ago

IIRC, flagging has a lower karma threshold than downvoting.