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This probably comes off as said from an ivory tower, but I don't think it's the people from other untyped languages who hate JavaScript nowdays. ES6+ looks pret

by kreetx 9y ago

This probably comes off as said from an ivory tower, but I don't think it's the people from other untyped languages who hate JavaScript nowdays. ES6+ looks pretty good compared to Python/Ruby/PHP perspective, and it works in the browser!

amiga-workbench 9y ago
I don't hate javascript for its quirks or implementation details, I hate what it has done to the experience of browsing the web, and now what it is doing to desktop software.
- ztjio 9y ago
  You don't think a blinking cursor should use half your processing power, and a handful of small text files shouldn't use all of your RAM? Pfft.
  - simonlc 9y ago
    That was actually a css bug in chrome.
    - plopz 9y ago
      And why should a css bug in chrome affect my text editor?
      - amiga-workbench 9y ago
        This is your text editor on meme tech stacks.
- snarfy 9y ago
  Some of my hate has been lessened after looking at microsoft's own benchmarks. NodeJS performs much faster than ASP.NET 4.6 + IIS. Core improves on this, but the point is after all these years writing .net applications I knew they weren't native performance but they were good enough. I didn't know javascript was just as good or even better in some areas. Now, implementing the entire browser rendering stack just so the dev can use css and html to develop the UI, that's a different issue, but not really a javascript issue.
asdfgadsfgasfdg 9y ago
ES6 is nice compared to PHP. It is not close to Python yet in terms of consistency and it-just-does-what-you-expect syntax. ES7 etc may get there but the standard library is also still lacking. Also ES6 doesn't work in the browser (at least not reliably cross browser). We have to use it thought because it transpiles to something that works in the browser. I think with another few years of the current progress javascript will be a good language - but there will still be a ton of old javascript to maintain which uses the principle-of-most-surprise syntax of older versions.
- romanovcode 9y ago
  Yeah, Python did a great job with 2.x and 3.x split. /s
  - toyg 9y ago
    Python 2.2 is a better language than JS. Python 3.6 is in another universe, migration or not.
  - oliwarner 9y ago
    2011 called, they want their anti-Python nonsense back. Python 3 won. It's leaps and bounds ahead of 2.7 at this point and it's moving in a positive direction. There are only two groups of people talking about this now, the poor folks who have to maintain and/or upgrade legacy software and you, people trying to stir things up. Both these parties have existed in some form for absolutely every software upgrade ever so —as a community— we're past the point of caring. 6 years notice was more than generous and if they really want to drag it out longer, it's open source, but we'll be over here writing better, faster code.
    - BuckRogers 9y ago
      Being fair, he is right. So grant him that. Python3 didn't really win. Lots of people jumped to TypeScript, Go and other stuff as a result. I wouldn't say you're writing better code, faster code either. Python2 supported unicode if that's the concern, and as of today the 2.7 interpreter is still faster than 3.6. If you want to go on and use Python3, fine. But no need to lie about the facts on the transition and that Python3 is better. It's simply different, technical churn rather than innovation.
calafrax 9y ago
definitely. i have worked with perl and php extensively and ruby and python occasionally and personally prefer js to any of them.
cpburns2009 9y ago
My experience is in predominately dynamically typed languages and I loathe JavaScript because of its implicit conversion of everything to strings, its substandard and clunky prototype object system, and that it's the only option that's cross browser compatible. For the record: I like Python, have no experience with Ruby, and dislike PHP.

by kreetx 9y ago

amiga-workbench 9y ago

I don't hate javascript for its quirks or implementation details, I hate what it has done to the experience of browsing the web, and now what it is doing to desktop software.

ztjio 9y ago
You don't think a blinking cursor should use half your processing power, and a handful of small text files shouldn't use all of your RAM? Pfft.
- simonlc 9y ago
  That was actually a css bug in chrome.
  - plopz 9y ago
    And why should a css bug in chrome affect my text editor?
    - amiga-workbench 9y ago
      This is your text editor on meme tech stacks.
snarfy 9y ago
Some of my hate has been lessened after looking at microsoft's own benchmarks. NodeJS performs much faster than ASP.NET 4.6 + IIS. Core improves on this, but the point is after all these years writing .net applications I knew they weren't native performance but they were good enough. I didn't know javascript was just as good or even better in some areas. Now, implementing the entire browser rendering stack just so the dev can use css and html to develop the UI, that's a different issue, but not really a javascript issue.

asdfgadsfgasfdg 9y ago

ES6 is nice compared to PHP. It is not close to Python yet in terms of consistency and it-just-does-what-you-expect syntax. ES7 etc may get there but the standard library is also still lacking. Also ES6 doesn't work in the browser (at least not reliably cross browser). We have to use it thought because it transpiles to something that works in the browser. I think with another few years of the current progress javascript will be a good language - but there will still be a ton of old javascript to maintain which uses the principle-of-most-surprise syntax of older versions.

romanovcode 9y ago
Yeah, Python did a great job with 2.x and 3.x split. /s
- toyg 9y ago
  Python 2.2 is a better language than JS. Python 3.6 is in another universe, migration or not.
- oliwarner 9y ago
  2011 called, they want their anti-Python nonsense back. Python 3 won. It's leaps and bounds ahead of 2.7 at this point and it's moving in a positive direction. There are only two groups of people talking about this now, the poor folks who have to maintain and/or upgrade legacy software and you, people trying to stir things up. Both these parties have existed in some form for absolutely every software upgrade ever so —as a community— we're past the point of caring. 6 years notice was more than generous and if they really want to drag it out longer, it's open source, but we'll be over here writing better, faster code.
  - BuckRogers 9y ago
    Being fair, he is right. So grant him that. Python3 didn't really win. Lots of people jumped to TypeScript, Go and other stuff as a result. I wouldn't say you're writing better code, faster code either. Python2 supported unicode if that's the concern, and as of today the 2.7 interpreter is still faster than 3.6. If you want to go on and use Python3, fine. But no need to lie about the facts on the transition and that Python3 is better. It's simply different, technical churn rather than innovation.

calafrax 9y ago

definitely. i have worked with perl and php extensively and ruby and python occasionally and personally prefer js to any of them.

cpburns2009 9y ago

My experience is in predominately dynamically typed languages and I loathe JavaScript because of its implicit conversion of everything to strings, its substandard and clunky prototype object system, and that it's the only option that's cross browser compatible. For the record: I like Python, have no experience with Ruby, and dislike PHP.