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This mirrors one of the things that I 'feel' about using Vim, that I commented about a few months ago [0]. It just feels faster than using something like Atom /

by icc97 9y ago

This mirrors one of the things that I 'feel' about using Vim, that I commented about a few months ago [0]. It just feels faster than using something like Atom / Visual Code, it's hard to explain in other terms, but this at least shows the actual latency values that cause the feeling. The great thing from these graphs is that it shows the consistency of performance with Vim across pretty much all platforms. So once you're using Vim it's fast everywhere, there isn't cases where you get unexplained slowdowns. You do get slowdowns with plugins, but they are usually quite easily explainable and they don't impact typing. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13934999 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13934999

coldtea 9y ago
Don't know about typing latency, but most operations in vim seems excruciatingly slow after using ST3. Things like fuzzy searching for something, opening a file with NerdTree etc.
- icc97 9y ago
  ST3 is awesome, I switched from that to Vim. But not because I was unhappy with ST3, just because the only way to learn Vim is to dive in and use only Vim. I too didn't notice any latency in ST3 and I've spent a lot of time trying to recreate some of the things that I was very used to in ST3. Saying that though, Vim just takes lots and lots of getting used to, I liken it to learning a foreign language. Most things you just need to do the 'Vim way', for example instead of NerdTree you can just use the internal file explorer and combine it with Tim Pope's Vinegar plugin [0] (everything from Tim Pope is simply awesome). That makes opening the file explorer as easy as typing '-' and then you can bounce up directories pressing '-' again or move around the file explorer using the Vim keys. I find this just as fast as using ST's file explorer, possibly faster as it avoids the mouse. I know fuzzy finding in Vim can be improved massively using fzf but I haven't tried it yet. I'm find it really easy just to have lots of buffers open and then to type `:b [buffer name]` you only need a partial match. I've been writing lots about the things that confuse me about Vim coming from ST3 e.g. about the weirdness of tab pages (when all you need is buffers) [1]. Great plugins for Vim from a ST3 perspective are: " let Vundle manage Vundle, required Plugin 'VundleVim/Vundle.vim' " syntax checking Plugin 'vim-syntastic/syntastic' " put quotes and brackets around expressions Plugin 'tpope/vim-surround' " use [ / ] for next / previous with lots of options Plugin 'tpope/vim-unimpaired' " git Plugin 'tpope/vim-fugitive' " store sessions that plays nicely with Airline and PDV Plugin 'tpope/vim-obsession' " improve the file explorer Plugin 'tpope/vim-vinegar' Plugin 'altercation/vim-colors-solarized' " highlight tabs and spaces at the end of lines Plugin 'vim-scripts/cream-showinvisibles' " distraction free mode Plugin 'junegunn/goyo.vim' " autocomplete matching brackets and quotes Plugin 'Raimondi/delimitMate' " Airline seems to have an issue with my session saving " @link https://github.com/vim-airline/vim-airline/issues/1505 Plugin 'vim-airline/vim-airline' Plugin 'vim-airline/vim-airline-themes' My reasons for using Vim were: 1. Open source 2. Cross platform (as is ST3) but also I can use it over SSH so I can take the power of my .vimrc with me 3. Programmable editing / Vim's 'feeling' [2] [0]: https://github.com/tpope/vim-vinegar https://github.com/tpope/vim-vinegar [1]: https://stackoverflow.com/a/43125465/327074 https://stackoverflow.com/a/43125465/327074 [2]: http://stevelosh.com/blog/2010/09/coming-home-to-vim/#vim-s-feeling http://stevelosh.com/blog/2010/09/coming-home-to-vim/#vim-s-...
wry_discontent 9y ago
I use emacs, but I have similar feelings. I don't notice it much in typing, but sometimes I have a complex edit I need to do, and, as far as I am aware, there isn't a good mechanism to deal with it in an editor like Atom (which I do actually like). Anything more complex than a regex find-and-replace is painful if I'm not using vim/emacs.

by icc97 9y ago

coldtea 9y ago

Don't know about typing latency, but most operations in vim seems excruciatingly slow after using ST3. Things like fuzzy searching for something, opening a file with NerdTree etc.

icc97 9y ago
ST3 is awesome, I switched from that to Vim. But not because I was unhappy with ST3, just because the only way to learn Vim is to dive in and use only Vim. I too didn't notice any latency in ST3 and I've spent a lot of time trying to recreate some of the things that I was very used to in ST3. Saying that though, Vim just takes lots and lots of getting used to, I liken it to learning a foreign language. Most things you just need to do the 'Vim way', for example instead of NerdTree you can just use the internal file explorer and combine it with Tim Pope's Vinegar plugin [0] (everything from Tim Pope is simply awesome). That makes opening the file explorer as easy as typing '-' and then you can bounce up directories pressing '-' again or move around the file explorer using the Vim keys. I find this just as fast as using ST's file explorer, possibly faster as it avoids the mouse. I know fuzzy finding in Vim can be improved massively using fzf but I haven't tried it yet. I'm find it really easy just to have lots of buffers open and then to type `:b [buffer name]` you only need a partial match. I've been writing lots about the things that confuse me about Vim coming from ST3 e.g. about the weirdness of tab pages (when all you need is buffers) [1]. Great plugins for Vim from a ST3 perspective are: " let Vundle manage Vundle, required Plugin 'VundleVim/Vundle.vim' " syntax checking Plugin 'vim-syntastic/syntastic' " put quotes and brackets around expressions Plugin 'tpope/vim-surround' " use [ / ] for next / previous with lots of options Plugin 'tpope/vim-unimpaired' " git Plugin 'tpope/vim-fugitive' " store sessions that plays nicely with Airline and PDV Plugin 'tpope/vim-obsession' " improve the file explorer Plugin 'tpope/vim-vinegar' Plugin 'altercation/vim-colors-solarized' " highlight tabs and spaces at the end of lines Plugin 'vim-scripts/cream-showinvisibles' " distraction free mode Plugin 'junegunn/goyo.vim' " autocomplete matching brackets and quotes Plugin 'Raimondi/delimitMate' " Airline seems to have an issue with my session saving " @link https://github.com/vim-airline/vim-airline/issues/1505 Plugin 'vim-airline/vim-airline' Plugin 'vim-airline/vim-airline-themes' My reasons for using Vim were: 1. Open source 2. Cross platform (as is ST3) but also I can use it over SSH so I can take the power of my .vimrc with me 3. Programmable editing / Vim's 'feeling' [2] [0]: https://github.com/tpope/vim-vinegar https://github.com/tpope/vim-vinegar [1]: https://stackoverflow.com/a/43125465/327074 https://stackoverflow.com/a/43125465/327074 [2]: http://stevelosh.com/blog/2010/09/coming-home-to-vim/#vim-s-feeling http://stevelosh.com/blog/2010/09/coming-home-to-vim/#vim-s-...

wry_discontent 9y ago

I use emacs, but I have similar feelings. I don't notice it much in typing, but sometimes I have a complex edit I need to do, and, as far as I am aware, there isn't a good mechanism to deal with it in an editor like Atom (which I do actually like). Anything more complex than a regex find-and-replace is painful if I'm not using vim/emacs.