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We're getting to the heart of the matter here. Presumably, you are upset about the implication that the mind is not a blank slate. So, are you upset because th

We're getting to the heart of the matter here. Presumably, you are upset about the implication that the mind is not a blank slate. So, are you upset because this makes you uncomfortable about biological predispositions, particularly the personality types that the author originally brought up, or do you hold that such a position flies in the face of the facts? If it's the latter, you can spare talking about your favorite social science models, because unfortunately they're not the "facts" we're looking for. Actually, they're not facts at all.

michaelchisari 9y ago
Would you be spending this much time and effort defending someone who used company services and company time to write about while male hegemony in the US and at Google and how it results in lower performing people being hired and promoted without proper regard to merit or capability? Becuase I wouldn't.
- srslack 9y ago
  We'll end it here. You continue to misrepresent the memo's points time and time again. You either 1) did not read it or 2) have some seriously loaded biases. Probably erring on the side of 2). No one has claimed that the women who enter it perform poorly in this particular career, or that anyone has positions that they did not deserve at Google. The author did not even come close to anything resembling sexism, racism, or other related terms that have been reduced to buzzwords at this point. You, and others, were the ones who put these words into the author's mouth. I don't blame you, outrage culture is everywhere, dishonest media loves ad impressions, and it must feel good to have a common enemy that you can project when anyone questions the fundamental assumptions that you're operating on and virtue signal about the evil nazi on Twitter. And for the record, I disagree with the author's proposed solutions to tackling this particular gap. This is a really hard problem. But that doesn't mean that I do not recognize that part of what he's saying is the objective truth, and that there are biases that could be clouding better solutions for tackling this purported gender gap in software engineering, if there's anything to be solved.
  - michaelchisari 9y ago
    Funny, I feel exactly the same way about your representation of what James Damore wrote. But what I find interesting is that you don't see what you're doing as a form of outrage culture. That you don't see what you're doing as a form of virtue signaling, simply to a different group. He was fired for poor judgement, for using company services and time to write a broad and controversial memo that contradicts Google's corporate policy and goals as a company. What he wrote is almost immaterial. California law protects him when he does it on his own time. That would have prevented him from being fired, or at least provided a legitimate grievance if he was.
    - srslack 9y ago
      >Funny, I feel exactly the same way about your representation of what James Damore wrote. Is it funny because you can't actually source a quote from the memo proving any of your implications? I think it is. >That you don't see what you're doing as a form of virtue signaling Virtue signaling requires the signaling to, hopefully, elevate one's status within an in-group. Considering I don't blather on social media all day about political shit, it'd be pretty hard for this to be the case, and the rare time that I do, I prefer to do it unrelated to my real name, precisely because of vitriol shit out by both "sides", faux progressives and alt-right or whatever you want to call them. But please, continue to believe that many faux-progressives were not acting like thugs in this particular debacle. >He was fired He was fired because immature employees couldn't have an honest discussion, and then called up a bunch of news orgs to get public opinions on their side and summon a shitstorm before anyone even saw the memo. Firing him just proves him right.

michaelchisari 9y ago

Would you be spending this much time and effort defending someone who used company services and company time to write about while male hegemony in the US and at Google and how it results in lower performing people being hired and promoted without proper regard to merit or capability? Becuase I wouldn't.

srslack 9y ago
We'll end it here. You continue to misrepresent the memo's points time and time again. You either 1) did not read it or 2) have some seriously loaded biases. Probably erring on the side of 2). No one has claimed that the women who enter it perform poorly in this particular career, or that anyone has positions that they did not deserve at Google. The author did not even come close to anything resembling sexism, racism, or other related terms that have been reduced to buzzwords at this point. You, and others, were the ones who put these words into the author's mouth. I don't blame you, outrage culture is everywhere, dishonest media loves ad impressions, and it must feel good to have a common enemy that you can project when anyone questions the fundamental assumptions that you're operating on and virtue signal about the evil nazi on Twitter. And for the record, I disagree with the author's proposed solutions to tackling this particular gap. This is a really hard problem. But that doesn't mean that I do not recognize that part of what he's saying is the objective truth, and that there are biases that could be clouding better solutions for tackling this purported gender gap in software engineering, if there's anything to be solved.
- michaelchisari 9y ago
  Funny, I feel exactly the same way about your representation of what James Damore wrote. But what I find interesting is that you don't see what you're doing as a form of outrage culture. That you don't see what you're doing as a form of virtue signaling, simply to a different group. He was fired for poor judgement, for using company services and time to write a broad and controversial memo that contradicts Google's corporate policy and goals as a company. What he wrote is almost immaterial. California law protects him when he does it on his own time. That would have prevented him from being fired, or at least provided a legitimate grievance if he was.
  - srslack 9y ago
    >Funny, I feel exactly the same way about your representation of what James Damore wrote. Is it funny because you can't actually source a quote from the memo proving any of your implications? I think it is. >That you don't see what you're doing as a form of virtue signaling Virtue signaling requires the signaling to, hopefully, elevate one's status within an in-group. Considering I don't blather on social media all day about political shit, it'd be pretty hard for this to be the case, and the rare time that I do, I prefer to do it unrelated to my real name, precisely because of vitriol shit out by both "sides", faux progressives and alt-right or whatever you want to call them. But please, continue to believe that many faux-progressives were not acting like thugs in this particular debacle. >He was fired He was fired because immature employees couldn't have an honest discussion, and then called up a bunch of news orgs to get public opinions on their side and summon a shitstorm before anyone even saw the memo. Firing him just proves him right.