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That's essentially the problem that the article is trying to bring attention to - our culture of intellectual hostility. The only way this will ever change is

That's essentially the problem that the article is trying to bring attention to - our culture of intellectual hostility. The only way this will ever change is if people stop caving in to political correctness. I realize it's a prisoner's dilemma in that individually it's in nobody's best interest to speak out, but that's an incredibly selfish mindset. We need to start valuing integrity and doing the right thing. It was never in any slaveholder's best interest to speak out against slavery, or in any white person's best interest to speak out against racism in a Southern community in the early 1900s after a lynching - but speaking out was the right thing to do and should be commended.

funnyguys 9y ago
This is not the same thing, is it? From reading the comments in most forums, looks like people seems to at least partially support the contents of the memo and the guy for writing this. Also, he is not speaking out in support of the minority, he is insinuating that they may be biological not suited for the job. <s>If only we could decide the characteristics and job of a person based on the person's birth, race and other things totally out of a person's control, society would be so much better.</s>
- beaconstudios 9y ago
  but that's not what he's saying at all is it? The memo says that the diversity initiatives that google puts in place (I presume trying to get close to 50/50 gender representation) is a bad idea because more men than women are going to be developers naturally, due to gender differences in interest or aptitude. That doesn't mean women can't be developers or that female developers are less capable - it means there are naturally going to be less of them. I don't understand why so many people are misreading what the memo author was saying. Is it wilful?
  - funnyguys 9y ago
    I read in comments from people who claimed to work for Google - diversity initiatives in Google aim to bring the diversity close to the male-female ratio in the applicant pool. Couple of other companies I know where number of employees are in thousands, the diversity initiative aims to achieve something similar. That does not seem like a bad idea at all. Humans are complex beings. Is interest in a specific field or profession a function of only gender? Would not the surrounding environment, role models, religion, books read, experiences in life and various other countless factors affect a person's interest and character? I don't think he was wilful. He was wrong to reduce a complex subject like human interests and behaviour into a simple statistical function.
    - RealityNow 9y ago
      > Google aim to bring the diversity close to the male-female ratio in the applicant pool. This is a laudable goal only if gender isn't used to discriminate against candidates. Discrimination on gender and race is wrong, period. Discriminating against men, whites, and Asians is still discrimination, and is not ok. Nobody's going to disagree with you that environment and the individual play a strong role in affecting one's character. These straw man arguments are getting old.
- RealityNow 9y ago
  Just because women tend to be naturally more empathetic than men doesn't mean that men aren't fit to be psychologists. It just means that more women will pursue that profession.
  - funnyguys 9y ago
    Are there any studies that concludes empathetic people become psychologists (honest question as I do not know)? Or is it an assumption that we make because of the nature of the profession? Also, is empathy a function of only gender - would not the surrounding environment, role model, religion, books read, experiences in life and various other countless factors affect if a person develops empathy?
    - RealityNow 9y ago
      > Are there any studies that concludes empathetic people become psychologists I don't know, but it would follow from common sense that people who are better at X will be more likely to pursue a career where being good at X is beneficial. > Also, is empathy a function of only gender Definitely not. Empathy can most certainly be developed.

funnyguys 9y ago

This is not the same thing, is it? From reading the comments in most forums, looks like people seems to at least partially support the contents of the memo and the guy for writing this. Also, he is not speaking out in support of the minority, he is insinuating that they may be biological not suited for the job. <s>If only we could decide the characteristics and job of a person based on the person's birth, race and other things totally out of a person's control, society would be so much better.</s>

beaconstudios 9y ago
but that's not what he's saying at all is it? The memo says that the diversity initiatives that google puts in place (I presume trying to get close to 50/50 gender representation) is a bad idea because more men than women are going to be developers naturally, due to gender differences in interest or aptitude. That doesn't mean women can't be developers or that female developers are less capable - it means there are naturally going to be less of them. I don't understand why so many people are misreading what the memo author was saying. Is it wilful?
- funnyguys 9y ago
  I read in comments from people who claimed to work for Google - diversity initiatives in Google aim to bring the diversity close to the male-female ratio in the applicant pool. Couple of other companies I know where number of employees are in thousands, the diversity initiative aims to achieve something similar. That does not seem like a bad idea at all. Humans are complex beings. Is interest in a specific field or profession a function of only gender? Would not the surrounding environment, role models, religion, books read, experiences in life and various other countless factors affect a person's interest and character? I don't think he was wilful. He was wrong to reduce a complex subject like human interests and behaviour into a simple statistical function.
  - RealityNow 9y ago
    > Google aim to bring the diversity close to the male-female ratio in the applicant pool. This is a laudable goal only if gender isn't used to discriminate against candidates. Discrimination on gender and race is wrong, period. Discriminating against men, whites, and Asians is still discrimination, and is not ok. Nobody's going to disagree with you that environment and the individual play a strong role in affecting one's character. These straw man arguments are getting old.
RealityNow 9y ago
Just because women tend to be naturally more empathetic than men doesn't mean that men aren't fit to be psychologists. It just means that more women will pursue that profession.
- funnyguys 9y ago
  Are there any studies that concludes empathetic people become psychologists (honest question as I do not know)? Or is it an assumption that we make because of the nature of the profession? Also, is empathy a function of only gender - would not the surrounding environment, role model, religion, books read, experiences in life and various other countless factors affect if a person develops empathy?
  - RealityNow 9y ago
    > Are there any studies that concludes empathetic people become psychologists I don't know, but it would follow from common sense that people who are better at X will be more likely to pursue a career where being good at X is beneficial. > Also, is empathy a function of only gender Definitely not. Empathy can most certainly be developed.