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> I know what he meant. No, you don't. By your extremely aggressive tone, I can see that not only you completely misunderstood my post, but also was offended b

> I know what he meant. No, you don't. By your extremely aggressive tone, I can see that not only you completely misunderstood my post, but also was offended by it. Not only that, you don't even seem to think that maybe you don't know, that there are different ways to voice and interpret messages. I'm not making an appeal to emotion, I'm explaining that perhaps you can't comprehend why people act in a certain manner because you're not in their place. That is normal, we all do it. It has nothing to do with gender or skin color, just with not being in the place of the other person. I even tried to make it very clear: > Also, please don't think that I'm judging you or saying that you're a bad person because of it. We all share the same difficulties, and that doesn't make us better or worse, just humans. But you just chose to ignore it and believe in your own truth. So not only you don't know what I meant, you intentionally ignored my clarification and decided to create your own reality. And I'm sure that no matter what I say, you'll continue to claim that I just mean to offend you. Well, if the cap fits, wear it.

macspoofing 9y ago
>No, you don't. By your extremely aggressive tone I responded to your patronizing and condescending tone. If you want a civil debate, make an rational argument. When you write: "I've been there myself, it takes a lot of time and effort to understand the real impact of something that doesn't impact yourself." Isn't that the most condescending thing you could write to someone else? You're implying that because I don't share your opinion I must have not thought hard enough about the issue. "Please teach me your ways so that I too may be as enlightened as you". >you don't even seem to think that maybe you don't know, that there are different ways to voice and interpret messages. Do you? Are you maybe wrong about how you see the world? Honestly, you're lecturing me but you cannot even fathom the idea that you may be completely wrong about this ... because you took time and effort to really really really think about it and you finally figured it all out. Urgh. >I'm explaining that perhaps you can't comprehend why people act in a certain manner because you're not in their place Does a gay black woman know the experience of straight white man? Or a recent immigrant from China? Or a rural farmer? Or black executive from Wall Street? Democracy is based on the idea that we collectively make decisions that then apply collectively. You're saying that a gay black woman cannot comprehend the experience of white, straight men so she shouldn't engage in policy debates that affect them? Are you seriously making that kind of an argument? So you're either making a meaningless pointless statement that implies nobody knows anybody's experience, or you're saying I don't have empathy or the ability to reason. Which is it?
- ucaetano 9y ago
  > Isn't that the most condescending thing you could write to someone else? Wait, I'm admitting my own fault at being able to see the world through other's perspectives, and that's condescending? > Do you? Are you maybe wrong about how you see the world? There's is no right or wrong way to see the world per se. There are just different ways. And yes, I'm usually wrong, I never claimed not to be. > you're lecturing me but you cannot even fathom the idea that you may be completely wrong about this Do you disagree that people see the world from different perspectives and it is often hard to understand each other's actions without trying to see the world from their perspective? That's my only point so far, nothing more. > So you're either making a meaningless pointless statement that implies nobody knows anybody's experience, or you're saying I don't have empathy or the ability to reason. Which is it? It was actually neither. I was saying that when we don't understand someone else's actions, it is often because we haven't put enough work into seeing the world from their eyes. > Does a gay black woman know the experience of straight white man? Or a recent immigrant from China? Or a rural farmer? Or black executive from Wall Street? No, they don't necessarily know, and that's my point. > You're saying that a gay black woman cannot comprehend the experience of white, straight men so she shouldn't engage in policy debates that affect them? Are you seriously making that kind of an argument? No, I'm not, and I'm actually quite surprised that you're even considering that I'm saying that. So far I fail to see anything in all my comments resembling that, but I might be wrong. > So you're either making a meaningless pointless statement that implies nobody knows anybody's experience, or you're saying I don't have empathy or the ability to reason. Which is it? It was actually neither. I was saying that when we don't understand someone else's actions, it is often because we haven't put enough work into seeing the world from their eyes. But you actually proved that not only you can't understand other's experiences (or even acknowledge that people have different experiences and base their actions on different perspectives), you also don't seem to have empathy or the ability to reason. The cap keeps fitting better and better. But given the downvotes on your posts, I think I'll call an end to this subthread. Have a nice day :)
  - pottersbasilisk 9y ago
    You think you won the argument but all youve done is created 10 more another trump supporters in silicon valley no less.

macspoofing 9y ago

>No, you don't. By your extremely aggressive tone I responded to your patronizing and condescending tone. If you want a civil debate, make an rational argument. When you write: "I've been there myself, it takes a lot of time and effort to understand the real impact of something that doesn't impact yourself." Isn't that the most condescending thing you could write to someone else? You're implying that because I don't share your opinion I must have not thought hard enough about the issue. "Please teach me your ways so that I too may be as enlightened as you". >you don't even seem to think that maybe you don't know, that there are different ways to voice and interpret messages. Do you? Are you maybe wrong about how you see the world? Honestly, you're lecturing me but you cannot even fathom the idea that you may be completely wrong about this ... because you took time and effort to really really really think about it and you finally figured it all out. Urgh. >I'm explaining that perhaps you can't comprehend why people act in a certain manner because you're not in their place Does a gay black woman know the experience of straight white man? Or a recent immigrant from China? Or a rural farmer? Or black executive from Wall Street? Democracy is based on the idea that we collectively make decisions that then apply collectively. You're saying that a gay black woman cannot comprehend the experience of white, straight men so she shouldn't engage in policy debates that affect them? Are you seriously making that kind of an argument? So you're either making a meaningless pointless statement that implies nobody knows anybody's experience, or you're saying I don't have empathy or the ability to reason. Which is it?

ucaetano 9y ago
> Isn't that the most condescending thing you could write to someone else? Wait, I'm admitting my own fault at being able to see the world through other's perspectives, and that's condescending? > Do you? Are you maybe wrong about how you see the world? There's is no right or wrong way to see the world per se. There are just different ways. And yes, I'm usually wrong, I never claimed not to be. > you're lecturing me but you cannot even fathom the idea that you may be completely wrong about this Do you disagree that people see the world from different perspectives and it is often hard to understand each other's actions without trying to see the world from their perspective? That's my only point so far, nothing more. > So you're either making a meaningless pointless statement that implies nobody knows anybody's experience, or you're saying I don't have empathy or the ability to reason. Which is it? It was actually neither. I was saying that when we don't understand someone else's actions, it is often because we haven't put enough work into seeing the world from their eyes. > Does a gay black woman know the experience of straight white man? Or a recent immigrant from China? Or a rural farmer? Or black executive from Wall Street? No, they don't necessarily know, and that's my point. > You're saying that a gay black woman cannot comprehend the experience of white, straight men so she shouldn't engage in policy debates that affect them? Are you seriously making that kind of an argument? No, I'm not, and I'm actually quite surprised that you're even considering that I'm saying that. So far I fail to see anything in all my comments resembling that, but I might be wrong. > So you're either making a meaningless pointless statement that implies nobody knows anybody's experience, or you're saying I don't have empathy or the ability to reason. Which is it? It was actually neither. I was saying that when we don't understand someone else's actions, it is often because we haven't put enough work into seeing the world from their eyes. But you actually proved that not only you can't understand other's experiences (or even acknowledge that people have different experiences and base their actions on different perspectives), you also don't seem to have empathy or the ability to reason. The cap keeps fitting better and better. But given the downvotes on your posts, I think I'll call an end to this subthread. Have a nice day :)
- pottersbasilisk 9y ago
  You think you won the argument but all youve done is created 10 more another trump supporters in silicon valley no less.