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Google Memo: Fired Employee Speaks Out [video]

68 points by Red_Tarsius 9y ago

forthefuture 9y ago
Please forgive me for being crass, but it's so stressful to have to watch a 45 minute video just to not have someone lie to me about it tomorrow.
- quotemstr 9y ago
  But serious respect for 1) understanding that, and 2) choosing to be well-informed. I'm incredibly disappointed with the number of people these days who denounce people, books, docs, movies, and even whole groups of people without having any direct experience or even caring to become well-informed enough to form an independent opinion.
techer 9y ago
"Anyone who thinks Google needs more Somalis and trannys vs more right-wing view points is just lying and full of themselves." 130 likes I only lasted five minutes.
- cart31cd 9y ago
  FYI anyone reading this, the quote above is from some youtube comment, not the actual interview.
- teamhappy 9y ago
  You're quoting a comment, right? Or is that from the video itself?
  - techer 9y ago
    A comment. Quite sad I have to specify! But fair enough
    - teamhappy 9y ago
      > Quite sad I have to specify! I was pretty sure you were quoting a comment but the "I only lasted five minutes" in combination with the quote made your comment somewhat ambiguous and I really didn't want to watch the whole 45 minutes just to figure out if he said that or not.
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w4tson 9y ago
Had two attempts at watching that but the arguments are so bad and the views so biased I just bailed. Maybe i'll write my open white paper,throw together some thinly veiled arguments, sprinkle some graphs and draw the conclusion that conservatives are total dickheads? Not all you understand. Just biologically speaking. I'm not saying they are. I'm actually very pro conservative. But they are dicks right? I just want a debate in the open about some the evidence I can't be arsed to write. Maybe?
- deleted 9y ago
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- thanksgiving 9y ago
  We can agree that someone is a dick but still seek to address valid concerns. I'm surprised to see "feminists" supporting management. We are at war with management for equal pay. It doesn't matter how or where I was recruited, equal work should mean equal pay. Management is never your friend. Google, put your money where your mouth is. Make salary and bonus information public.
  - sauronlord 9y ago
    Women make just as much as men under 30 with the same life choices. If they made it public...it will turn out that women are making more. That's why it's not being released. That is more damaging to the Feminine Imperative.
- chrisco255 9y ago
  The funny thing is that conservatives wouldn't bat an eye. They would just give it back to you and move on with their lives. Conservatives are quite used to liberal elitism. They get it all the time from Hollywood and Academia.
  - ElmntOfSurprise 9y ago
    Yeah, writing about how conservatives are the worst? You'd probably have to get in line.
mvindahl 9y ago
This DaMore guy doesn't have a lot of political savvyness. First off, I think his manifesto contained more nuance than has been attributed to it. I agreed with some points and disagreed with others. I think the length was a bit excessive but it's not the kind of thing that would make me raise an eyebrow. Still, by publishing to to the entire company, he was openly challenging the views of his employer and forcing them to respond in spades. It was a move with no real upside but plenty of potential downsides. Now, with half of Twitter eager to write him off as an alt-right douchebag, what does he do? Yup, gives an interview on an alt-right YouTube channel. This is a brilliant coup for Peter Molyneux but for DaMore there is absolutely no upside to being associated with those guys. Thing is, I don't think DaMore is a bad person. I think he is earnestly trying to understand the current diversity fad and to spark a debate around its causes and effects. But he has quickly turned himself into a pawn in everyone else's game.
- senectus1 9y ago
  yeah. agreed. that video was painful on a lot of levels.
- Shad0w59 9y ago
  Great for Peter Molyneux, his best work since Fable, Black & White and Dungeon Keeper. Sorry, couldn't resist.
  - mvindahl 9y ago
    Heh .. my bad, Stefan Molyneux of course.
- Red_Tarsius 9y ago
  Stefan's old videos were much better. He's not alt-right, I don't know what's gotten into him. He might be a victim of his own brand, choosing to cater to his new audience at the expense of integrity. I was extremely disappointed to find out that he denies climate change. I agree with you. Journalists and reporters are going to circle around DaMore like vultures. They only love the drama and don't give a damn about the debate.
dvfjsdhgfv 9y ago
I've just found the gist of it. You can save yourselves the pain of watching the whole thing and just go to the summary: https://youtu.be/TN1vEfqHGro?t=1758 https://youtu.be/TN1vEfqHGro?t=1758 I believe it's the most important part of the video and also a link that you can send to people who think they know better what the author of the memo meant.
abhimanyurawat 9y ago
Having a different view and representing it, but wrong thing at a very wrong time. So lesson learnt is keep everything to yourself and only say what peoole wants to hear ( Once again a different view).
dandare 9y ago
The saddest thing for me is that this will add tons of ammunition to all kinds of sexists, racists and extremists. Damore made several well sourced arguments that you are welcome to disagree with. But instead of discussion, counter arguments and "embracing diversity" he was silenced and probably illegally sacked. This will strengthen the position of all kind of haters and populists and if you think it's not a big deal go and check who is your president.
manigandham 9y ago
James Damore also spoke with Jordan Peterson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agU-mHFcXdw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agU-mHFcXdw

68 points by Red_Tarsius 9y ago

Please forgive me for being crass, but it's so stressful to have to watch a 45 minute video just to not have someone lie to me about it tomorrow.

quotemstr 9y ago
But serious respect for 1) understanding that, and 2) choosing to be well-informed. I'm incredibly disappointed with the number of people these days who denounce people, books, docs, movies, and even whole groups of people without having any direct experience or even caring to become well-informed enough to form an independent opinion.

techer 9y ago

"Anyone who thinks Google needs more Somalis and trannys vs more right-wing view points is just lying and full of themselves." 130 likes I only lasted five minutes.

cart31cd 9y ago
FYI anyone reading this, the quote above is from some youtube comment, not the actual interview.
teamhappy 9y ago
You're quoting a comment, right? Or is that from the video itself?
- techer 9y ago
  A comment. Quite sad I have to specify! But fair enough
  - teamhappy 9y ago
    > Quite sad I have to specify! I was pretty sure you were quoting a comment but the "I only lasted five minutes" in combination with the quote made your comment somewhat ambiguous and I really didn't want to watch the whole 45 minutes just to figure out if he said that or not.

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w4tson 9y ago

Had two attempts at watching that but the arguments are so bad and the views so biased I just bailed. Maybe i'll write my open white paper,throw together some thinly veiled arguments, sprinkle some graphs and draw the conclusion that conservatives are total dickheads? Not all you understand. Just biologically speaking. I'm not saying they are. I'm actually very pro conservative. But they are dicks right? I just want a debate in the open about some the evidence I can't be arsed to write. Maybe?

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thanksgiving 9y ago
We can agree that someone is a dick but still seek to address valid concerns. I'm surprised to see "feminists" supporting management. We are at war with management for equal pay. It doesn't matter how or where I was recruited, equal work should mean equal pay. Management is never your friend. Google, put your money where your mouth is. Make salary and bonus information public.
- sauronlord 9y ago
  Women make just as much as men under 30 with the same life choices. If they made it public...it will turn out that women are making more. That's why it's not being released. That is more damaging to the Feminine Imperative.
chrisco255 9y ago
The funny thing is that conservatives wouldn't bat an eye. They would just give it back to you and move on with their lives. Conservatives are quite used to liberal elitism. They get it all the time from Hollywood and Academia.
- ElmntOfSurprise 9y ago
  Yeah, writing about how conservatives are the worst? You'd probably have to get in line.

mvindahl 9y ago

This DaMore guy doesn't have a lot of political savvyness. First off, I think his manifesto contained more nuance than has been attributed to it. I agreed with some points and disagreed with others. I think the length was a bit excessive but it's not the kind of thing that would make me raise an eyebrow. Still, by publishing to to the entire company, he was openly challenging the views of his employer and forcing them to respond in spades. It was a move with no real upside but plenty of potential downsides. Now, with half of Twitter eager to write him off as an alt-right douchebag, what does he do? Yup, gives an interview on an alt-right YouTube channel. This is a brilliant coup for Peter Molyneux but for DaMore there is absolutely no upside to being associated with those guys. Thing is, I don't think DaMore is a bad person. I think he is earnestly trying to understand the current diversity fad and to spark a debate around its causes and effects. But he has quickly turned himself into a pawn in everyone else's game.

senectus1 9y ago
yeah. agreed. that video was painful on a lot of levels.
Shad0w59 9y ago
Great for Peter Molyneux, his best work since Fable, Black & White and Dungeon Keeper. Sorry, couldn't resist.
- mvindahl 9y ago
  Heh .. my bad, Stefan Molyneux of course.
Red_Tarsius 9y ago
Stefan's old videos were much better. He's not alt-right, I don't know what's gotten into him. He might be a victim of his own brand, choosing to cater to his new audience at the expense of integrity. I was extremely disappointed to find out that he denies climate change. I agree with you. Journalists and reporters are going to circle around DaMore like vultures. They only love the drama and don't give a damn about the debate.

dvfjsdhgfv 9y ago

I've just found the gist of it. You can save yourselves the pain of watching the whole thing and just go to the summary: https://youtu.be/TN1vEfqHGro?t=1758 https://youtu.be/TN1vEfqHGro?t=1758 I believe it's the most important part of the video and also a link that you can send to people who think they know better what the author of the memo meant.

abhimanyurawat 9y ago

Having a different view and representing it, but wrong thing at a very wrong time. So lesson learnt is keep everything to yourself and only say what peoole wants to hear ( Once again a different view).

dandare 9y ago

The saddest thing for me is that this will add tons of ammunition to all kinds of sexists, racists and extremists. Damore made several well sourced arguments that you are welcome to disagree with. But instead of discussion, counter arguments and "embracing diversity" he was silenced and probably illegally sacked. This will strengthen the position of all kind of haters and populists and if you think it's not a big deal go and check who is your president.

manigandham 9y ago

James Damore also spoke with Jordan Peterson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agU-mHFcXdw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agU-mHFcXdw