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> Why are people throwing money at these? Futures for Tezos are already trading at 6x the amount people invested during ICO. > It makes no sense. In the shor

> Why are people throwing money at these? Futures for Tezos are already trading at 6x the amount people invested during ICO. > It makes no sense. In the short term it makes a lot of sense (600% ROI). In the long term: An Ethereum based on OCaml has an interesting potential. > You have no guarantee that they won't just run off with the money If the developers are not anonymous, while no guarantee, it makes it less likely. When you cross the road you also have no guarantee that the cars won't run you over. Some amount of trust is needed, whether for money or your entire life. Benefit of crypto is that you don't necessarily need to rely on trust. I doubt Tezos has contractual access to all the money they received, or are allowed to dump their shares as soon as it starts trading for real.

flunhat 9y ago
Can you, in one sentence, explain what Tezos is? Something of the form: Uber - Order a taxi with your phone Facebook - Connect with your friends online Google - Find stuff on the internet Wikipedia - An encyclopedia that anyone can edit Amazon - Buy stuff online, without going anywhere Tezos - ??? (And "Tezos is a new decentralized blockchain that governs itself by establishing a true digital commonwealth" doesn't count as an explanation).
- taysic 9y ago
  It's a competitor to ethereum - a place to create more ICOs basically from what I understand. Maybe they're running out of ideas
  - discombobulate 9y ago
    Token sales may end up being worth a ton of money. There's going to be competition.
- dsfjksdf 9y ago
  It's Ethereum with the claim of having a better language for the contracts (enabling automatic verification). I don't think it makes that much sense, after all, you could also create another language that compiles to Solidity, and that is verifiable. I mean it is OK, just not as much of an improvement as they make it sound.
  - DennisP 9y ago
    Or create another language that compiles to the Ethereum virtual machine. There are several already, and at least two in development designed to be better for formal verification.
    - dsfjksdf 9y ago
      Yes that is what I meant - I don't know Ethereum as well, so I assumed Solidity is the already the level of the VM (the "assembly"). Thanks for clarifying!
- DoctorBit 9y ago
  Tezos - Participate in the governance of your cryptocurrency. Read the source code of any smart-contract on the blockchain. As I understand it, the source code of tezos itself is stored on its own blockchain. Any modifications to the source are proposed by and voted on by owners of the tezos currency (weighted by how much they own). Also, unlike Ethereum, smart contracts are stored as source code on the blockchain, rather than as compiled bytecode.
- olala69 9y ago
  Tezos - An Ethereum where the smart contract language ambiguity and procedural nature of the code doesn't result in hundreds of millions in theft.
conanbatt 9y ago
Its still intense. Tezos would have to become a unicorn to materialized 600% gains on 200 mill. It almost definitely wont, and thus the irrationality dominating this market is bursting the seams. OTH, the market cap valuations these things are using is kind of ridiculous, since a 200 million sale of eth would crash it into oblivion.
doktrin 9y ago
> An Ethereum based on OCaml has an interesting potential. I see this kind of stuff a lot in the "cryptocurrency" space. When I was reading about Waves, for instance, one proponent unironically proclaimed that "It's built on Scala, which is a better architecture than Ethereum". I'm no Scala hater, but surely stuff like the implementation language isn't the most important variable in evaluating a new altcoin / cryptocurrency platform? This sounds a lot like hand wavy mumbo jumbo that's meant to convince non-technical "investors" to part with their cash / BTC.
- olala69 9y ago
  It's built on OCaml because of functionality and langsec - contract code and implementations written in procedural/objective languages are immensely unstable which is also why ETH smart contracts keep getting hacked. Consider that not even the fucking inventor of Ethereum himself can write a contract without massive exploits.
dsfjksdf 9y ago
"An Ethereum based on Ocaml" - that has to be a joke. 200 000 000 just because they use Ocaml? Afaik Ethereum encouraged independent implementations of their PROTOCOL in different languages, also as a way to discover flaws in the protocol. Ocaml as a selling point just sounds like an appeal to Noobs. Reading that was one of the reasons I decided to pass on the Tezos ICO.
- olala69 9y ago
  Language security is a much bigger deal than anyone ever assumed and the DAO proved that. Just ask Vitalik.

flunhat 9y ago

Can you, in one sentence, explain what Tezos is? Something of the form: Uber - Order a taxi with your phone Facebook - Connect with your friends online Google - Find stuff on the internet Wikipedia - An encyclopedia that anyone can edit Amazon - Buy stuff online, without going anywhere Tezos - ??? (And "Tezos is a new decentralized blockchain that governs itself by establishing a true digital commonwealth" doesn't count as an explanation).

taysic 9y ago
It's a competitor to ethereum - a place to create more ICOs basically from what I understand. Maybe they're running out of ideas
- discombobulate 9y ago
  Token sales may end up being worth a ton of money. There's going to be competition.
dsfjksdf 9y ago
It's Ethereum with the claim of having a better language for the contracts (enabling automatic verification). I don't think it makes that much sense, after all, you could also create another language that compiles to Solidity, and that is verifiable. I mean it is OK, just not as much of an improvement as they make it sound.
- DennisP 9y ago
  Or create another language that compiles to the Ethereum virtual machine. There are several already, and at least two in development designed to be better for formal verification.
  - dsfjksdf 9y ago
    Yes that is what I meant - I don't know Ethereum as well, so I assumed Solidity is the already the level of the VM (the "assembly"). Thanks for clarifying!
DoctorBit 9y ago
Tezos - Participate in the governance of your cryptocurrency. Read the source code of any smart-contract on the blockchain. As I understand it, the source code of tezos itself is stored on its own blockchain. Any modifications to the source are proposed by and voted on by owners of the tezos currency (weighted by how much they own). Also, unlike Ethereum, smart contracts are stored as source code on the blockchain, rather than as compiled bytecode.
olala69 9y ago
Tezos - An Ethereum where the smart contract language ambiguity and procedural nature of the code doesn't result in hundreds of millions in theft.

conanbatt 9y ago

Its still intense. Tezos would have to become a unicorn to materialized 600% gains on 200 mill. It almost definitely wont, and thus the irrationality dominating this market is bursting the seams. OTH, the market cap valuations these things are using is kind of ridiculous, since a 200 million sale of eth would crash it into oblivion.

doktrin 9y ago

> An Ethereum based on OCaml has an interesting potential. I see this kind of stuff a lot in the "cryptocurrency" space. When I was reading about Waves, for instance, one proponent unironically proclaimed that "It's built on Scala, which is a better architecture than Ethereum". I'm no Scala hater, but surely stuff like the implementation language isn't the most important variable in evaluating a new altcoin / cryptocurrency platform? This sounds a lot like hand wavy mumbo jumbo that's meant to convince non-technical "investors" to part with their cash / BTC.

olala69 9y ago
It's built on OCaml because of functionality and langsec - contract code and implementations written in procedural/objective languages are immensely unstable which is also why ETH smart contracts keep getting hacked. Consider that not even the fucking inventor of Ethereum himself can write a contract without massive exploits.

dsfjksdf 9y ago

"An Ethereum based on Ocaml" - that has to be a joke. 200 000 000 just because they use Ocaml? Afaik Ethereum encouraged independent implementations of their PROTOCOL in different languages, also as a way to discover flaws in the protocol. Ocaml as a selling point just sounds like an appeal to Noobs. Reading that was one of the reasons I decided to pass on the Tezos ICO.

olala69 9y ago
Language security is a much bigger deal than anyone ever assumed and the DAO proved that. Just ask Vitalik.