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Liberals / progressives keep missing the point - silencing your opposition and calling them names only shows how weak your side of the argument is. That's how y

Liberals / progressives keep missing the point - silencing your opposition and calling them names only shows how weak your side of the argument is. That's how you get 4 more years of Trump. Fight bad ideas with better ideas, better arguments.

totalZero 9y ago
I don't think that either side of any issue has a monopoly on that kind of lunacy. By which I mean, there are people on either side of any big debate who try to silence the opposition and call them names. As Adlai Stevenson once said, "when you sling mud, you lose ground."
thephyber 9y ago
> Liberals / progressives keep missing the point - silencing your opposition and calling them names You're conflating a political movement with a company doing PR damage control. Google management didn't "call him names". You're not thinking about it like a corporate manager. Google is trying hard not to be seen as just another Frat startup like Uber (albeit an older one). They are actively trying to hire the best engineers in the world and this memo just put a dent in their hiring process for 50% of their potential hiring candidates. > Fight bad ideas with better ideas, better arguments. Of course. The irony is that social conservatives are usually the ones to cry foul when an employee sues a company for firing the employee for social/cultural reasons. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, both political poles are shown to be hypocrites.
- davidreiss 9y ago
  > You're conflating a political movement with a company doing PR damage control. Google management didn't "call him names". Google is heavily invested in the political movement. Lets not pretend google is an objective observer in this. > They are actively trying to hire the best engineers in the world and this memo just put a dent in their hiring process for 50% of their potential hiring candidates. Can you point to anything specific that was written that would scare 50% of potential hires? That is quite an assertion and I would love to here the rationale for it. > Now that the shoe is on the other foot, both political poles are shown to be hypocrites. That's the point. Why are you defending one foot and not the other?
  - nikdaheratik 9y ago
    >Google is heavily invested in the political movement. What "political movement" did the guy they fired represent? "All men are created equal" is a political statement, "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity" is a political statement, "Half the world's population is unsuitable for technical work because of their gender" is bigoted nonsense. That he tried to use discredited pseudo-science to back up his statement doesn't make it any more valid than bigoted nonsense from less educated people. If he had kept his nonsense to himself, it wouldn't have been a major issue for Google. But because he chose to share it with his coworkers, who then leaked it, they were put in a position where if they kept him on, they would be seen as endorsing the nonsense, but if they fired him, they were seeing as joining in some kind of political crusade. Bottom line: the core thesis of the "manifesto" was on par with eugenics, anti-vaxxer propaganda, or anti-climate FUD. If someone in their HR department was seen as embracing those ideas and encouraging their coworkers to put them into practice, Google would probably fire them as well.
    - fooker 9y ago
      >Bottom line: the core thesis of the "manifesto" was on par with eugenics, anti-vaxxer propaganda, or anti-climate FUD. Awesome strawman! Don't agree with someone? Equate their argument with something significantly worse..
    - davidreiss 9y ago
      > What "political movement" did the guy they fired represent? Extreme liberalism. The same condition sadly afflicting much of media. > "Half the world's population is unsuitable for technical work because of their gender" is bigoted nonsense. Where did he say that? You are quoting it as if he wrote it, so please point out where he wrote those exact words. The fact you are making things up and misattributing it to him is rather disturbing. >Bottom line: the core thesis of the "manifesto" was on par with eugenics, anti-vaxxer propaganda, or anti-climate FUD So point it out. You make outlandish claims but provide no specifics. It's almost as if you are making things up to further your agenda. Also, feminists claim half the world's population is not fit enough to compete with men in baseball, football, soccer, hockey, tennis, etc and therefore need their own leagues/tournaments. Are these feminists sexists?
- leifaffles 9y ago
  You have some strong points in here, except one which is worth pointing out: > Google management didn't "call him names". Google's management (including its CEO) did, however, repeatedly lie and misrepresent the essay as justification for their actions. This was cruel and should not be forgotten.
geofft 9y ago
Yes, excellent point. I watched Dunkirk last week and was struck by the difference between the brave young men then and our cucked generation today. The British soldiers knew that they wouldn't defeat the Germans by trying to silence them: they stood there with their weapons unloaded and debated the German soldiers point-by-point about why the Nazi political program was misguided for Germany, until finally the Germans changed their mind and accepted Churchill's better ideas. Truly a moving movie, and highly recommended.
- maxscam 9y ago
  Yes, sad liberals ... Anti war is cowardice ... Kill em all ....

totalZero 9y ago

I don't think that either side of any issue has a monopoly on that kind of lunacy. By which I mean, there are people on either side of any big debate who try to silence the opposition and call them names. As Adlai Stevenson once said, "when you sling mud, you lose ground."

thephyber 9y ago

> Liberals / progressives keep missing the point - silencing your opposition and calling them names You're conflating a political movement with a company doing PR damage control. Google management didn't "call him names". You're not thinking about it like a corporate manager. Google is trying hard not to be seen as just another Frat startup like Uber (albeit an older one). They are actively trying to hire the best engineers in the world and this memo just put a dent in their hiring process for 50% of their potential hiring candidates. > Fight bad ideas with better ideas, better arguments. Of course. The irony is that social conservatives are usually the ones to cry foul when an employee sues a company for firing the employee for social/cultural reasons. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, both political poles are shown to be hypocrites.

davidreiss 9y ago
> You're conflating a political movement with a company doing PR damage control. Google management didn't "call him names". Google is heavily invested in the political movement. Lets not pretend google is an objective observer in this. > They are actively trying to hire the best engineers in the world and this memo just put a dent in their hiring process for 50% of their potential hiring candidates. Can you point to anything specific that was written that would scare 50% of potential hires? That is quite an assertion and I would love to here the rationale for it. > Now that the shoe is on the other foot, both political poles are shown to be hypocrites. That's the point. Why are you defending one foot and not the other?
- nikdaheratik 9y ago
  >Google is heavily invested in the political movement. What "political movement" did the guy they fired represent? "All men are created equal" is a political statement, "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity" is a political statement, "Half the world's population is unsuitable for technical work because of their gender" is bigoted nonsense. That he tried to use discredited pseudo-science to back up his statement doesn't make it any more valid than bigoted nonsense from less educated people. If he had kept his nonsense to himself, it wouldn't have been a major issue for Google. But because he chose to share it with his coworkers, who then leaked it, they were put in a position where if they kept him on, they would be seen as endorsing the nonsense, but if they fired him, they were seeing as joining in some kind of political crusade. Bottom line: the core thesis of the "manifesto" was on par with eugenics, anti-vaxxer propaganda, or anti-climate FUD. If someone in their HR department was seen as embracing those ideas and encouraging their coworkers to put them into practice, Google would probably fire them as well.
  - fooker 9y ago
    >Bottom line: the core thesis of the "manifesto" was on par with eugenics, anti-vaxxer propaganda, or anti-climate FUD. Awesome strawman! Don't agree with someone? Equate their argument with something significantly worse..
  - davidreiss 9y ago
    > What "political movement" did the guy they fired represent? Extreme liberalism. The same condition sadly afflicting much of media. > "Half the world's population is unsuitable for technical work because of their gender" is bigoted nonsense. Where did he say that? You are quoting it as if he wrote it, so please point out where he wrote those exact words. The fact you are making things up and misattributing it to him is rather disturbing. >Bottom line: the core thesis of the "manifesto" was on par with eugenics, anti-vaxxer propaganda, or anti-climate FUD So point it out. You make outlandish claims but provide no specifics. It's almost as if you are making things up to further your agenda. Also, feminists claim half the world's population is not fit enough to compete with men in baseball, football, soccer, hockey, tennis, etc and therefore need their own leagues/tournaments. Are these feminists sexists?
leifaffles 9y ago
You have some strong points in here, except one which is worth pointing out: > Google management didn't "call him names". Google's management (including its CEO) did, however, repeatedly lie and misrepresent the essay as justification for their actions. This was cruel and should not be forgotten.

geofft 9y ago

Yes, excellent point. I watched Dunkirk last week and was struck by the difference between the brave young men then and our cucked generation today. The British soldiers knew that they wouldn't defeat the Germans by trying to silence them: they stood there with their weapons unloaded and debated the German soldiers point-by-point about why the Nazi political program was misguided for Germany, until finally the Germans changed their mind and accepted Churchill's better ideas. Truly a moving movie, and highly recommended.

maxscam 9y ago
Yes, sad liberals ... Anti war is cowardice ... Kill em all ....