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by noncoml 9y ago

cratermoon 9y ago
I notice no stories about how Damore lied about having a PhD from Harvard have made it to the top.
- fumigator 9y ago
  > I notice no stories about how Damore lied about having a PhD from Harvard have made it to the top. http://sysbiophd.harvard.edu/people/alumni/james-damore http://sysbiophd.harvard.edu/people/alumni/james-damore
  - in_cahoots 9y ago
    Note how there's no dissertation or thesis advisor listed, unlike the other alumni. Here's an article saying he didn't graduate more explicitly: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/08/technology/google-engineer-fired-gender-memo.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/08/technology/google-enginee...
  - thephyber 9y ago
    > Harvard University tells me James Damore did not complete his Phd. He completed a masters degree in systems biology in 2013 [1] You can "be on a PhD program" without having completed it. [1] https://twitter.com/nitashatiku/status/894939560391565317 https://twitter.com/nitashatiku/status/894939560391565317
- noncoml 9y ago
  No matter which side one takes it's a bit sad to see these stories getting flagged because most of HNers are very civil and it's nice to read each side's arguments and opinions.
- jahlove 9y ago
  citation?
  - in_cahoots 9y ago
    Here you go: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/08/technology/google-engineer-fired-gender-memo.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/08/technology/google-enginee...
    - edco 9y ago
      "It struck a nerve and was harshly criticized inside a company and an entire industry struggling to explain why women are underrepresented in key engineering ranks" I believe there are less female graduates in software engineering than male, and more male software engineers so wouldn't it follow that they would be underrepresented? Unless that underrepresentation is in relation to those figures?
    - zaqokm321 9y ago
      > "He conducted research in computational biology at Harvard, Princeton and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology before joining a Ph.D. program at Harvard. He dropped out before completing the program." P.S this is not a quote from James Damore directly
fumigator 9y ago
.. 3, 2, 1 ... Lets see what he wrote that was so offensive, remembering that it was to a private list and only posted to the wider Internet by Googles 'diversity' chief Danielle Brown. "Google’s Ideological Echo Chamber" https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-Ideological-Echo-Chamber.pdf https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-I...
- vkou 9y ago
  The crux of the argument was: 1. There are biological differences between men and women. 2. Because #1 and <personal biases> and evolutionary psychology, this makes women bad engineers. 3. Because #1 and #2, diversity programs are harmful. Saying one of those three things creates a hostile work environment. Nothing in that manifesto provided any unique, novel, or original insight. It was the same old, same-old, 'computers are for boys, talking to people is for girls' nonsense.
  - leifaffles 9y ago
    No. Arguments #2 and #3 were not made. Argument #1 is utterly uncontroversial. Please read the essay.
    - bobdole1234 9y ago
      So, there's this thing that happens when people who lack tact say things that are true, but they get fired for it. When you say things without tact, people hear the wrong thing, and you get the walk of shame with your cube plant out of the building. It doesn't matter how "right" it might be.
      - flukus 9y ago
        From what I can tell, he shared his controversial opinion in a forum specifically for controversial opinions, that is not a lack of tact. I don't know if this is true, but after reading "journalists" summarize the memo random internet comments from purported googlers seem about as reliable.

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cratermoon 9y ago

I notice no stories about how Damore lied about having a PhD from Harvard have made it to the top.

fumigator 9y ago
> I notice no stories about how Damore lied about having a PhD from Harvard have made it to the top. http://sysbiophd.harvard.edu/people/alumni/james-damore http://sysbiophd.harvard.edu/people/alumni/james-damore
- in_cahoots 9y ago
  Note how there's no dissertation or thesis advisor listed, unlike the other alumni. Here's an article saying he didn't graduate more explicitly: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/08/technology/google-engineer-fired-gender-memo.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/08/technology/google-enginee...
- thephyber 9y ago
  > Harvard University tells me James Damore did not complete his Phd. He completed a masters degree in systems biology in 2013 [1] You can "be on a PhD program" without having completed it. [1] https://twitter.com/nitashatiku/status/894939560391565317 https://twitter.com/nitashatiku/status/894939560391565317
noncoml 9y ago
No matter which side one takes it's a bit sad to see these stories getting flagged because most of HNers are very civil and it's nice to read each side's arguments and opinions.
jahlove 9y ago
citation?
- in_cahoots 9y ago
  Here you go: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/08/technology/google-engineer-fired-gender-memo.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/08/technology/google-enginee...
  - edco 9y ago
    "It struck a nerve and was harshly criticized inside a company and an entire industry struggling to explain why women are underrepresented in key engineering ranks" I believe there are less female graduates in software engineering than male, and more male software engineers so wouldn't it follow that they would be underrepresented? Unless that underrepresentation is in relation to those figures?
  - zaqokm321 9y ago
    > "He conducted research in computational biology at Harvard, Princeton and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology before joining a Ph.D. program at Harvard. He dropped out before completing the program." P.S this is not a quote from James Damore directly

fumigator 9y ago

.. 3, 2, 1 ... Lets see what he wrote that was so offensive, remembering that it was to a private list and only posted to the wider Internet by Googles 'diversity' chief Danielle Brown. "Google’s Ideological Echo Chamber" https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-Ideological-Echo-Chamber.pdf https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-I...

vkou 9y ago
The crux of the argument was: 1. There are biological differences between men and women. 2. Because #1 and <personal biases> and evolutionary psychology, this makes women bad engineers. 3. Because #1 and #2, diversity programs are harmful. Saying one of those three things creates a hostile work environment. Nothing in that manifesto provided any unique, novel, or original insight. It was the same old, same-old, 'computers are for boys, talking to people is for girls' nonsense.
- leifaffles 9y ago
  No. Arguments #2 and #3 were not made. Argument #1 is utterly uncontroversial. Please read the essay.
  - bobdole1234 9y ago
    So, there's this thing that happens when people who lack tact say things that are true, but they get fired for it. When you say things without tact, people hear the wrong thing, and you get the walk of shame with your cube plant out of the building. It doesn't matter how "right" it might be.
    - flukus 9y ago
      From what I can tell, he shared his controversial opinion in a forum specifically for controversial opinions, that is not a lack of tact. I don't know if this is true, but after reading "journalists" summarize the memo random internet comments from purported googlers seem about as reliable.