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I notice how you neglect to mention nor address his thesis. For the section you are citing, the author stated his position is: "On average, men and women biolog
by Pilfer 9y ago
I notice how you neglect to mention nor address his thesis. For the section you are citing, the author stated his position is: "On average, men and women biologically differ", and used the evidence you listed to back this up.
>Human universals
In your criticism, you are responding to an incorrect interpretation of this term.
When evolutionary biologists refer to this term, they are referencing the work of anthropologist Donald Brown, who compiled a list of traits shared among all known human cultures. He said traits on this list "comprise those features of culture, society, language, behavior, and psyche for which there are no known exception."
You can read a copy of this list here http://joelvelasco.net/teaching/2890/brownlisthumanuniversals.pdf http://joelvelasco.net/teaching/2890/brownlisthumanuniversal.... Notice how this list supports his claim that "On average, men and women biologically differ".
>They often have clear biological causes and links to prenatal testosterone
A lot of the studies supporting this come from suffers of congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH).
Hines, M, Brook, C, & Conway, G. S. (2004). Androgen and psychosexual development: Core gender identity, sexual orientation, and recalled childhood gender role behavior in women and men with congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH). Journal of Sex Research, 41, 75-81.
Hines, M, Fane, B. A, Pasterski, V. L, Mathews, G. A, Conway, G. S, &. Brook, C. (2003). Spatial abilities following prenatal androgen abnormality: Targeting and mental rotations performance in individuals with congenital adrenal hyperplasia. Psychoneuroendocrinobgy, 28, 1010-1026.
Hines, M , Golombok, S , Rust, J , Johnston, K. J , & Golding, J. (2002). Testosterone during pregnancy and gender role behavior of preschool children: A longitudinal, population study. Child Development, 73, 1678-1687.
Hines, M , & Kaufman, F. R. (1994). Androgens and the development of human sex-typical behavior: Rough-and-tumble play and sex of preferred playmates in children with congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH). Child Devebpment, 65, 1042-1053.
>Biological males that were castrated at birth and raised as females often still identify and act like males
I think he's referring to the case of David Reimer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer . I don't believe we've done human castration studies, but we have done studies on mice that support this conclusion
Williams, C. L, Barnett, A. M, & Meek, W. H. (1990). Organizational effects of early gonadal secretions on sexual differentiation in spatial ability. Behavioral Neuroscience, 104, 84-97.
Williams, C. L, & Meek, W. H. (1991). The organizational effects of gonadal steroids on sexually dimorphic spatial ability. Psychoneuroendocrinobgy, 16, 155-176.
>The underlying traits are highly heritable
This one's pretty basic. They're heritable because many Sex differences caused by the existence of the Y-chromosome, which is heritable.
>They’re exactly what we would predict from an evolutionary psychology perspective
Evolutionary psychology is the result of analyzing ecological theories observed in other animals, and applying them to humans. Ecologists have observed differences between males and females in thousands of non-human species. Why would our own species be exempt? Even today, evolution itself is still considered very controversial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objections_to_evolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objections_to_evolution
So far, all his claims look all right to me. They support his claim that "On average, men and women biologically differ". And evolutionary psychologists agree on this one. http://quillette.com/2017/08/07/google-memo-four-scientists-respond/ http://quillette.com/2017/08/07/google-memo-four-scientists-...
- lordCarbonFiber 9y agoYou're missing the thesis by an important mark. The thesis is "Women in tech are underrepresented in tech because of sexual differences". Which is a fundamentally different statement. Next you'll tell me that the under representation of various ethnic group is likewise related to the underlying physiological differences. Now we're back to the 1930s and you're on the wrong side of history. Notice how none of the works you could drum up really point post childhood development or aptitudes.
- Pilfer 9y agoBut you misinterpret the author's thesis by an important mark. "Women in tech are underrepresented in tech because of sexual differences" is not the author's thesis, it's a fundamentally different statement. The author's stance is really the following: "Differences in distributions of traits between men and women may in part explain why we don't have 50% representation of women in tech and leadership." There is a huge difference between "because of" and "may in part explain". It comes back to an earlier point others have made, that many of the author's critics grossly misinterpret the author's arguments. >none of the works [are on] post childhood development or aptitudes I don't think you looked at the studies. The CAH studies are performed on adults. And on aptitudes, you neglect the the author's other references which do support the claim that "On average, men and women biologically differ". For example, he referenced multiple studies cited here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_psychology#Personality_traits https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_psychology#...
- lordCarbonFiber 9y agoIm frankly amazed at your ability to both ignore the context of the work, the overall thesis being James believes diversity is bad for business (which implicitly casts judgement on non-male hires), and the historical precedent for women in computer science, female participation in CS dramatically decreased in the 80s after the video game crash forced personal computers to rebrand as boys toys as opposed to the gender neutral entertainment devices[0][1]. The existance of sexual physical and mental dimorphisms, is either there as a completely irrelevant distraction or as a deliberate and malicious link to the idea that the current divide is "the natural order". And while the exact quote is indeed "may in part explain", the fact that no other hypothesis (especially ones that actually match the real data such as the 80s branding of computers as toys for boys and the huge leap in experience they got as a result going into secondary education) is even mentioned means what the author implies is "because of". [0] http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2016/07/22/487069271/episode-576-when-women-stopped-coding http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2016/07/22/487069271/episo... [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_crash_of_1983 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_crash_of_1983 *Edit I get the sense you really don't understand why this gets under the skin of so many people. It's not that "there exists differences" it's that there's no supporting evidence tying those differences to the divide. James couldn't provide it, you can't provide it, it's an extraordinary claim backed neither by history in CS nor by gender splits in comparable professions (law, medicine, etc). The counter argument is diversity programs open up a huge pool of untapped talent (you can provide no evidence these hires are in any way subpar) which is fucking great for business because hiring is hard. Feelings of under-preforming Harvard dropouts with a victim complex unrelated.