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>I would curious to hear your opinion on what things specifically makes the Bolt a great EV - features, comparative specs etc. It's the first mass produced, pu

>I would curious to hear your opinion on what things specifically makes the Bolt a great EV - features, comparative specs etc. It's the first mass produced, purpose designed, non-luxury EV available in the US with: - Greater than 200 miles range - Active thermal management for the battery (essential for battery longevity and extended use with quick charging). - Full seating for 5 - Top IIHS safety rating - Standard level 2 autonomy - Cargo capacity comparable to a regular hatchback At a price that just barely starts to make sense for the average driver when you factor in fuel savings and tax subsidies.

bogomipz 9y ago
Thanks, that certainly is impressive. I didn't understand your last comment: >"At a price that just barely starts to make sense for the average driver when you factor in fuel savings and tax subsidies." At $36K and just using $5K as an arbitrary tax subsidy number isn't it the same price as most US mini SUV style cars?
- vkou 9y ago
  Hatchbacks are not mini-SUVs, and many people can't afford to own a mini-SUV. $36,000 with no trims is pricy for a new car. I've been adamant that owning an EV would be a non-starter for me, but having seen the Bolt, if I were shopping for a new car, I'd buy one in a heartbeat.
  - bogomipz 9y ago
    I didn't say that hatchbacks were SUVs, it was simply a comp as the sedan market is giving way to the compact SUV in the US. $36K is pretty close to average car price in the US now: https://www.edmunds.com/about/press/average-vehicle-transaction-price-hits-all-time-high-in-2016-according-to-edmundscom.html https://www.edmunds.com/about/press/average-vehicle-transact... I think you are right that there are many people who can't afford a $35K car which is why leasing is seeing such an uptick: https://www.edmunds.com/about/press/automotive-lease-volume-reaches-record-high-in-2016-according-to-new-edmunds-report.html https://www.edmunds.com/about/press/automotive-lease-volume-... A compact SUV is one of the best selling card this year in the US and at ~20K its not actually that pricey compared the average car price in the USA of $34K. And the compact SUV is looking like it it will dislodge the sedan's long dominance. See: https://seekingalpha.com/article/4064632-new-u-s-car-sales-king-nissan-rogue https://seekingalpha.com/article/4064632-new-u-s-car-sales-k... and https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2017/05/01/why-nissan-may-top-suv-sales-charts-2017/101143592/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2017/05/01/why-nis...
    - aphextron 9y ago
      >$36K is pretty close to average car price in the US now: You have to keep in mind that $36k 'average' number is highly inflated by luxury purchases. Most people end up spending closer to $20k. I think when they hit below that magical $19,995 number we will see massive adoption.
      - dragonwriter 9y ago
        Yeah, that's a mean not a median, and is therefore the wrong average to use for this purpose, which calls for median (or even mode in preference to mean.)

bogomipz 9y ago

Thanks, that certainly is impressive. I didn't understand your last comment: >"At a price that just barely starts to make sense for the average driver when you factor in fuel savings and tax subsidies." At $36K and just using $5K as an arbitrary tax subsidy number isn't it the same price as most US mini SUV style cars?

vkou 9y ago
Hatchbacks are not mini-SUVs, and many people can't afford to own a mini-SUV. $36,000 with no trims is pricy for a new car. I've been adamant that owning an EV would be a non-starter for me, but having seen the Bolt, if I were shopping for a new car, I'd buy one in a heartbeat.
- bogomipz 9y ago
  I didn't say that hatchbacks were SUVs, it was simply a comp as the sedan market is giving way to the compact SUV in the US. $36K is pretty close to average car price in the US now: https://www.edmunds.com/about/press/average-vehicle-transaction-price-hits-all-time-high-in-2016-according-to-edmundscom.html https://www.edmunds.com/about/press/average-vehicle-transact... I think you are right that there are many people who can't afford a $35K car which is why leasing is seeing such an uptick: https://www.edmunds.com/about/press/automotive-lease-volume-reaches-record-high-in-2016-according-to-new-edmunds-report.html https://www.edmunds.com/about/press/automotive-lease-volume-... A compact SUV is one of the best selling card this year in the US and at ~20K its not actually that pricey compared the average car price in the USA of $34K. And the compact SUV is looking like it it will dislodge the sedan's long dominance. See: https://seekingalpha.com/article/4064632-new-u-s-car-sales-king-nissan-rogue https://seekingalpha.com/article/4064632-new-u-s-car-sales-k... and https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2017/05/01/why-nissan-may-top-suv-sales-charts-2017/101143592/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2017/05/01/why-nis...
  - aphextron 9y ago
    >$36K is pretty close to average car price in the US now: You have to keep in mind that $36k 'average' number is highly inflated by luxury purchases. Most people end up spending closer to $20k. I think when they hit below that magical $19,995 number we will see massive adoption.
    - dragonwriter 9y ago
      Yeah, that's a mean not a median, and is therefore the wrong average to use for this purpose, which calls for median (or even mode in preference to mean.)