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> Would be helpful to know WHICH Code of Conduct he is supposed to have violated. The one Pichai cited, >> It is contrary to our basic values and our Code of

> Would be helpful to know WHICH Code of Conduct he is supposed to have violated. The one Pichai cited, >> It is contrary to our basic values and our Code of Conduct, which expects "each Googler to do their utmost to create a workplace culture that is free of harassment, intimidation, bias and unlawful discrimination." > I did not notice any inferior/superior claims. He said women have a harder time leading. That's a pretty big claim. None of his sources back it up, so it's just his opinion. At best, that makes him a legal risk for Google if he were involved in any hiring or promotional processes.

imron 9y ago
> He said women have a harder time leading. He said, in the context of Big-5 personality traits [0], that women on average skew higher for 'agreeableness' (a scientifically sound finding that has been replicated in cross-cultural studies), and that high agreeableness leads to having a harder time negotiating salary, asking for raises, speaking up, and leading. He's not saying women have a harder time at these things, he's saying people with a high agreeableness personality trait have a hard time at these things. His very next sentence states that while women have higher agreeableness at population-level averages, it would be wrong to just look at averages between genders because there is significant overlap in these traits across genders. However because it is seen by senior management as a problem for women, men with high agreeableness are excluded from training programs designed to help people with things such as negotiating salary, asking for raises, speaking up, and leading. So, he's not saying that women have a harder time leading, he's saying population-level averages in certain personality traits result in women initially being less well equipped to handle certain situations (not that they lack aptitude or ability for it), and that senior management have recognised this and implemented training programs specifically to correct for it, but because these training programs are only for women, they are excluding a large portion of men with the same traits, who are then denied access to similar corrective training. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits
- unityByFreedom 9y ago
  > He's not saying women have a harder time at these things, he's saying people with a high agreeableness personality trait have a hard time at these things. Yes he does, he says it word for word. He says women, on average, have more of those traits. Then he draws the conclusion that because of these personality differences, that women have a harder time leading. That's not supported by any research he cites. > So, he's not saying that women have a harder time leading Yes, he does say that here: "This leads to women generally having a harder time negotiating salary, asking for raises, speaking up, and leading." > he's saying population-level averages in certain personality traits result in women initially being less well equipped to handle certain situations He specifically cites "leading". And, that claim is not backed by any research. > senior management have recognised this and implemented training programs specifically to correct for it That is not in the memo.

imron 9y ago

> He said women have a harder time leading. He said, in the context of Big-5 personality traits [0], that women on average skew higher for 'agreeableness' (a scientifically sound finding that has been replicated in cross-cultural studies), and that high agreeableness leads to having a harder time negotiating salary, asking for raises, speaking up, and leading. He's not saying women have a harder time at these things, he's saying people with a high agreeableness personality trait have a hard time at these things. His very next sentence states that while women have higher agreeableness at population-level averages, it would be wrong to just look at averages between genders because there is significant overlap in these traits across genders. However because it is seen by senior management as a problem for women, men with high agreeableness are excluded from training programs designed to help people with things such as negotiating salary, asking for raises, speaking up, and leading. So, he's not saying that women have a harder time leading, he's saying population-level averages in certain personality traits result in women initially being less well equipped to handle certain situations (not that they lack aptitude or ability for it), and that senior management have recognised this and implemented training programs specifically to correct for it, but because these training programs are only for women, they are excluding a large portion of men with the same traits, who are then denied access to similar corrective training. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits

unityByFreedom 9y ago
> He's not saying women have a harder time at these things, he's saying people with a high agreeableness personality trait have a hard time at these things. Yes he does, he says it word for word. He says women, on average, have more of those traits. Then he draws the conclusion that because of these personality differences, that women have a harder time leading. That's not supported by any research he cites. > So, he's not saying that women have a harder time leading Yes, he does say that here: "This leads to women generally having a harder time negotiating salary, asking for raises, speaking up, and leading." > he's saying population-level averages in certain personality traits result in women initially being less well equipped to handle certain situations He specifically cites "leading". And, that claim is not backed by any research. > senior management have recognised this and implemented training programs specifically to correct for it That is not in the memo.