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So by agreeing, you are basically saying you believe in the idea of biological differences playing a role in the gender imbalance at Google? Or to put it anothe

So by agreeing, you are basically saying you believe in the idea of biological differences playing a role in the gender imbalance at Google? Or to put it another way, you believe women don't strive for the same things as men due to genetic makeup?

matt_wulfeck 9y ago
You only need to remember your experiences in high school to know that biology plays a role in men and women striving for different things.
- HoppedUpMenace 9y ago
  People strive for things based on personal and perceived expectations around them, biology has nothing to do with it, unless you are speaking of one's personal talents, which is gender neutral anyway.
doubleshame 9y ago
It's established to be a CONTRIBUTING factor. What makes it controversial is that we can't know HOW MUCH it contributes. It's very bad to use this factor as a basis for discrimination. It's awesome to use differentiating factors that we already know of to make our collective spaces better and more accepting of everyone.
- HoppedUpMenace 9y ago
  Establishing or assuming anything about anyone based on one's biology is very misguided and ignorant. It is very similar to any number of times anyone has approached me to ask if I knew how to speak Spanish because clearly, since I look the part, I am assumed to know how.
  - doubleshame 9y ago
    Once there was this women sitting at table. I wanted to go talk to her. I wanted to say "Hi, the rain really is beautiful, isn't it". But I didn't know if she associated the rain with painful trigger emotions, so I didn't. I wanted to say "Hi". But I didn't know if she spoke English, and I didn't want to discriminate against people who don't, so I didn't. I wanted to say "Hi" in all the possible languages of the world. But I didn't want to discriminate against deaf people, so I didn't. If she was deaf, would she not have been offended? So in the end, in this fictional story, I didn't say anything at all. There is no certain knowledge, there are only distributions. I know nothing, and I am learning more all the time. But I do the best I can based on my past experiences. A bayesian approach to the world, will not neglect what you know; but it will update your model rapidly based on new information, perhaps information specific to the person that you are interacting with. Communication is impossible without good faith. So, the next time someone asks you if you speak Spanish, tell them you do not, and use the opportunity to show them the world that is uniquely you. Let your identity have an integrity that YOU own. The next time they see a person who looks Spanish, they might approach it differently. And they'll also remember that Spanish looking people are nice people to interact with.

matt_wulfeck 9y ago

You only need to remember your experiences in high school to know that biology plays a role in men and women striving for different things.

HoppedUpMenace 9y ago
People strive for things based on personal and perceived expectations around them, biology has nothing to do with it, unless you are speaking of one's personal talents, which is gender neutral anyway.

doubleshame 9y ago

It's established to be a CONTRIBUTING factor. What makes it controversial is that we can't know HOW MUCH it contributes. It's very bad to use this factor as a basis for discrimination. It's awesome to use differentiating factors that we already know of to make our collective spaces better and more accepting of everyone.

HoppedUpMenace 9y ago
Establishing or assuming anything about anyone based on one's biology is very misguided and ignorant. It is very similar to any number of times anyone has approached me to ask if I knew how to speak Spanish because clearly, since I look the part, I am assumed to know how.
- doubleshame 9y ago
  Once there was this women sitting at table. I wanted to go talk to her. I wanted to say "Hi, the rain really is beautiful, isn't it". But I didn't know if she associated the rain with painful trigger emotions, so I didn't. I wanted to say "Hi". But I didn't know if she spoke English, and I didn't want to discriminate against people who don't, so I didn't. I wanted to say "Hi" in all the possible languages of the world. But I didn't want to discriminate against deaf people, so I didn't. If she was deaf, would she not have been offended? So in the end, in this fictional story, I didn't say anything at all. There is no certain knowledge, there are only distributions. I know nothing, and I am learning more all the time. But I do the best I can based on my past experiences. A bayesian approach to the world, will not neglect what you know; but it will update your model rapidly based on new information, perhaps information specific to the person that you are interacting with. Communication is impossible without good faith. So, the next time someone asks you if you speak Spanish, tell them you do not, and use the opportunity to show them the world that is uniquely you. Let your identity have an integrity that YOU own. The next time they see a person who looks Spanish, they might approach it differently. And they'll also remember that Spanish looking people are nice people to interact with.