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It seems that your whole comment doesn't work if you don't mischaracterize the whole situation. Please quote the original racism and/or misogyny. And yes, someo

It seems that your whole comment doesn't work if you don't mischaracterize the whole situation. Please quote the original racism and/or misogyny. And yes, someone should legally be able to cite, for example, that Asians typically have higher IQs than others - don't you think? Besides, if you quit a huge company like Google because one of your colleagues holds an opinion, then how are you so different from a white who wouldn't go to school anymore after the first black joined? This example is closer to reality than yours, I think!

unityByFreedom 9y ago
> someone should legally be able to cite, for example, that Asians typically have higher IQs than others - don't you think? I think a more direct parallel here would be if you cited such research, and then drew the conclusion that IQ translates directly into better performance in a specific role such as leadership. The memo author made claims that aren't supported by the research he cites. It isn't a mischaracterization to say he questioned the aptitude of women in certain roles without having the science to back it up. That's a problem -- not a legal one, but a "how to work well with others" one.
SamBam 9y ago
> Besides, if you quit a huge company like Google because one of your colleagues holds an opinion... OP didn't say he would quit because one of his colleagues held a (in his example) racist opinion, but would do so if the company just turned around and said that black employees should just be "more open-minded" to those opinions. You can separately debate whether the original memo was as bad as OP's racist example, but in the context of OP's example I think he'd be perfectly in his rights to leave if the company was supporting such an opinion.
- dopamean 9y ago
  Thank you. I realize no that it's easy to think that I believe the made up scenario I presented is the same as what happened at Google. That wasn't my intention. My point was to answer the question (that pretty much no one has even attempted to answer) of how do you include people in an organization who hold views that are so counter to what many others in the organization believe. And not just different views but views that are thought to lead to real world negative consequences.
  - zaptheimpaler 9y ago
    What do you mean how? You just let them be in the organization. You let there be disagreement too. You foster a culture that encourages people to put aside their differences and do things the orgs way when its time to work, but you don't shame, lynch and fire everyone who disagrees.
dopamean 9y ago
I didn't make an argument at all. I actually somewhat support the guy who got fired (only in that I don't think he should have been fired). All I want to know is how organizations can include people with views that other members of the organization find to be abhorrent. > Besides, if you quit a huge company like Google because one of your colleagues holds an opinion, then how are you so different from a white who wouldn't go to school anymore after the first black joined? This is an oversimplification of what I said and also doesn't make sense even on it's own. A black person's mere presence at a school does not negatively affect the other students at the school. A person more senior than me who holds the belief that for some made up biological reason I am less capable than someone else can actually negatively affect my career.

unityByFreedom 9y ago

> someone should legally be able to cite, for example, that Asians typically have higher IQs than others - don't you think? I think a more direct parallel here would be if you cited such research, and then drew the conclusion that IQ translates directly into better performance in a specific role such as leadership. The memo author made claims that aren't supported by the research he cites. It isn't a mischaracterization to say he questioned the aptitude of women in certain roles without having the science to back it up. That's a problem -- not a legal one, but a "how to work well with others" one.

SamBam 9y ago

> Besides, if you quit a huge company like Google because one of your colleagues holds an opinion... OP didn't say he would quit because one of his colleagues held a (in his example) racist opinion, but would do so if the company just turned around and said that black employees should just be "more open-minded" to those opinions. You can separately debate whether the original memo was as bad as OP's racist example, but in the context of OP's example I think he'd be perfectly in his rights to leave if the company was supporting such an opinion.

dopamean 9y ago
Thank you. I realize no that it's easy to think that I believe the made up scenario I presented is the same as what happened at Google. That wasn't my intention. My point was to answer the question (that pretty much no one has even attempted to answer) of how do you include people in an organization who hold views that are so counter to what many others in the organization believe. And not just different views but views that are thought to lead to real world negative consequences.
- zaptheimpaler 9y ago
  What do you mean how? You just let them be in the organization. You let there be disagreement too. You foster a culture that encourages people to put aside their differences and do things the orgs way when its time to work, but you don't shame, lynch and fire everyone who disagrees.

dopamean 9y ago

I didn't make an argument at all. I actually somewhat support the guy who got fired (only in that I don't think he should have been fired). All I want to know is how organizations can include people with views that other members of the organization find to be abhorrent. > Besides, if you quit a huge company like Google because one of your colleagues holds an opinion, then how are you so different from a white who wouldn't go to school anymore after the first black joined? This is an oversimplification of what I said and also doesn't make sense even on it's own. A black person's mere presence at a school does not negatively affect the other students at the school. A person more senior than me who holds the belief that for some made up biological reason I am less capable than someone else can actually negatively affect my career.