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Can't believe I'm saying this... but what an acquisition for GM. Masterful potential future pivot

organsnyder 9y ago
Automakers are likely in a precarious position that they are just beginning to realize: If car-sharing really takes off (due to automation making it cheaper to hail on demand rather than owning a vehicle), they could see sales drop off by orders of magnitude. Glad to see that some of them realize this; though as a resident of western Michigan (home to many automotive suppliers), I am concerned about the potential impact up the supply chain.
tonyedgecombe 9y ago
I wonder if it's a good idea to accelerate the progress towards a future that they may not be successful in. If all this is as disruptive as many people think then they may well be bringing forward their own demise.
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aphextron 9y ago
GM is killing it right now. Bolt is the first truly great EV ever built at an "affordable" price. Model 3 is getting all the hype now, but when it's all said and done GM will have beaten them to market by a year with an equally comparable or better product at the same price point.
- bogomipz 9y ago
  >"Bolt is the first truly great EV ever built at an "affordable" price." I would curious to hear your opinion on what things specifically makes the Bolt a great EV - features, comparative specs etc.
  - aphextron 9y ago
    >I would curious to hear your opinion on what things specifically makes the Bolt a great EV - features, comparative specs etc. It's the first mass produced, purpose designed, non-luxury EV available in the US with: - Greater than 200 miles range - Active thermal management for the battery (essential for battery longevity and extended use with quick charging). - Full seating for 5 - Top IIHS safety rating - Standard level 2 autonomy - Cargo capacity comparable to a regular hatchback At a price that just barely starts to make sense for the average driver when you factor in fuel savings and tax subsidies.
    - bogomipz 9y ago
      Thanks, that certainly is impressive. I didn't understand your last comment: >"At a price that just barely starts to make sense for the average driver when you factor in fuel savings and tax subsidies." At $36K and just using $5K as an arbitrary tax subsidy number isn't it the same price as most US mini SUV style cars?
      - vkou 9y ago
        Hatchbacks are not mini-SUVs, and many people can't afford to own a mini-SUV. $36,000 with no trims is pricy for a new car. I've been adamant that owning an EV would be a non-starter for me, but having seen the Bolt, if I were shopping for a new car, I'd buy one in a heartbeat.
        bogomipz 9y ago
        I didn't say that hatchbacks were SUVs, it was simply a comp as the sedan market is giving way to the compact SUV in the US. $36K is pretty close to average car price in the US now: https://www.edmunds.com/about/press/average-vehicle-transaction-price-hits-all-time-high-in-2016-according-to-edmundscom.html https://www.edmunds.com/about/press/average-vehicle-transact... I think you are right that there are many people who can't afford a $35K car which is why leasing is seeing such an uptick: https://www.edmunds.com/about/press/automotive-lease-volume-reaches-record-high-in-2016-according-to-new-edmunds-report.html https://www.edmunds.com/about/press/automotive-lease-volume-... A compact SUV is one of the best selling card this year in the US and at ~20K its not actually that pricey compared the average car price in the USA of $34K. And the compact SUV is looking like it it will dislodge the sedan's long dominance. See: https://seekingalpha.com/article/4064632-new-u-s-car-sales-king-nissan-rogue https://seekingalpha.com/article/4064632-new-u-s-car-sales-k... and https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2017/05/01/why-nissan-may-top-suv-sales-charts-2017/101143592/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2017/05/01/why-nis...
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Automakers are likely in a precarious position that they are just beginning to realize: If car-sharing really takes off (due to automation making it cheaper to hail on demand rather than owning a vehicle), they could see sales drop off by orders of magnitude. Glad to see that some of them realize this; though as a resident of western Michigan (home to many automotive suppliers), I am concerned about the potential impact up the supply chain.

tonyedgecombe 9y ago

I wonder if it's a good idea to accelerate the progress towards a future that they may not be successful in. If all this is as disruptive as many people think then they may well be bringing forward their own demise.

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aphextron 9y ago

GM is killing it right now. Bolt is the first truly great EV ever built at an "affordable" price. Model 3 is getting all the hype now, but when it's all said and done GM will have beaten them to market by a year with an equally comparable or better product at the same price point.

bogomipz 9y ago
>"Bolt is the first truly great EV ever built at an "affordable" price." I would curious to hear your opinion on what things specifically makes the Bolt a great EV - features, comparative specs etc.
- aphextron 9y ago
  >I would curious to hear your opinion on what things specifically makes the Bolt a great EV - features, comparative specs etc. It's the first mass produced, purpose designed, non-luxury EV available in the US with: - Greater than 200 miles range - Active thermal management for the battery (essential for battery longevity and extended use with quick charging). - Full seating for 5 - Top IIHS safety rating - Standard level 2 autonomy - Cargo capacity comparable to a regular hatchback At a price that just barely starts to make sense for the average driver when you factor in fuel savings and tax subsidies.
  - bogomipz 9y ago
    Thanks, that certainly is impressive. I didn't understand your last comment: >"At a price that just barely starts to make sense for the average driver when you factor in fuel savings and tax subsidies." At $36K and just using $5K as an arbitrary tax subsidy number isn't it the same price as most US mini SUV style cars?
    - vkou 9y ago
      Hatchbacks are not mini-SUVs, and many people can't afford to own a mini-SUV. $36,000 with no trims is pricy for a new car. I've been adamant that owning an EV would be a non-starter for me, but having seen the Bolt, if I were shopping for a new car, I'd buy one in a heartbeat.
      - bogomipz 9y ago
        I didn't say that hatchbacks were SUVs, it was simply a comp as the sedan market is giving way to the compact SUV in the US. $36K is pretty close to average car price in the US now: https://www.edmunds.com/about/press/average-vehicle-transaction-price-hits-all-time-high-in-2016-according-to-edmundscom.html https://www.edmunds.com/about/press/average-vehicle-transact... I think you are right that there are many people who can't afford a $35K car which is why leasing is seeing such an uptick: https://www.edmunds.com/about/press/automotive-lease-volume-reaches-record-high-in-2016-according-to-new-edmunds-report.html https://www.edmunds.com/about/press/automotive-lease-volume-... A compact SUV is one of the best selling card this year in the US and at ~20K its not actually that pricey compared the average car price in the USA of $34K. And the compact SUV is looking like it it will dislodge the sedan's long dominance. See: https://seekingalpha.com/article/4064632-new-u-s-car-sales-king-nissan-rogue https://seekingalpha.com/article/4064632-new-u-s-car-sales-k... and https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2017/05/01/why-nissan-may-top-suv-sales-charts-2017/101143592/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2017/05/01/why-nis...
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