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False equivalency. The left at least advocates for inclusion, and asking your workplace not to discriminate is not "just as bad as" saying women shouldn't be ab

False equivalency. The left at least advocates for inclusion, and asking your workplace not to discriminate is not "just as bad as" saying women shouldn't be able to be engineers.

TeMPOraL 9y ago
> asking your workplace not to discriminate is not "just as bad as" saying women shouldn't be able to be engineers The former is exactly what the author of the memo did, and they got fired for it.
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mc32 9y ago
They advocate for inclusion but oftentimes want their kind of inclusion. For example they may want women to go out and vote, so long as they vote for their candidate. How dare they "vote against their self interest". Like when Hispanics get ostracized for voting republican as if they owe it to Democrats to vote for them.
- java_script 9y ago
  Agreed, I'm for the political party that just wants people to vote, regardless of which candidate they're voting for. That truly real party that we all know and love.
  - mc32 9y ago
    That's kind of an ideal party. They organize the vote but don't promote any candidate. Just make sure you are ready to vote, if you are willing to exercise your vote.
- Brockenstein 9y ago
  I don't believe that's true. At least not in the overly generalized way you're presenting it. You can always find extremists and crackpots in any group, and opponents can always project those people as being representative of the group. This is a human issue that is not confined to liberals and women, or liberals and hispanics. If you go out to rural locales and make a big show about being liberal in a conservative stronghold, people will invariably judge and mistreat you. If you're a conservative in a liberal stronghold and make a big show of it, invariably people will judge and mistreat you. Not everyone, but some. It's not right, I don't agree with it. And I feel like plenty people are moderate enough that they would agree. But somehow we can't stop the inmates from running the asylum. And our system seems to give greater weight to people who scream the loudest. People are smart enough to know if they scream loud enough they'll get their way. And options like compromise and collaboration take actual work, and why bother with work if screaming and fussing is accessible to everyone without any effort?
  - mc32 9y ago
    Maybe it's the valley, maybe it's been the luck of my draws... Whenever politics surface in the companies I've worked for, it's assumed I'd agree with people's liberal takes. This is both overt and conversational, jovial, and other random conversations and comments. The undercurrent is always liberally bent. I feel that and have always leaned left (in most ways, but not all), although I'm starting to have my doubts as the left seems to want to go hard left with identity politics.
- enraged_camel 9y ago
  You are conflating two different issues. Voting is always better than not voting, even when it seems as if your vote makes no difference. Aside from that though, yes, it is bizarre when people vote for candidates who have a track record of screwing over people like them. This isn't unique to women.
  - mc32 9y ago
    It's only bizarre from your point of view, or mine. These people are making rational decisions. Some blacks voted for Trump because they also believed in the things he espouses over some individually significant issue. Affluent male whites voted for Hillary when the left were saying Republicans only favor rich people, etc. so "voted against their self interest". People are complicated.

False equivalency. The left at least advocates for inclusion, and asking your workplace not to discriminate is not "just as bad as" saying women shouldn't be able to be engineers.

TeMPOraL 9y ago

> asking your workplace not to discriminate is not "just as bad as" saying women shouldn't be able to be engineers The former is exactly what the author of the memo did, and they got fired for it.

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mc32 9y ago

They advocate for inclusion but oftentimes want their kind of inclusion. For example they may want women to go out and vote, so long as they vote for their candidate. How dare they "vote against their self interest". Like when Hispanics get ostracized for voting republican as if they owe it to Democrats to vote for them.

java_script 9y ago
Agreed, I'm for the political party that just wants people to vote, regardless of which candidate they're voting for. That truly real party that we all know and love.
- mc32 9y ago
  That's kind of an ideal party. They organize the vote but don't promote any candidate. Just make sure you are ready to vote, if you are willing to exercise your vote.
Brockenstein 9y ago
I don't believe that's true. At least not in the overly generalized way you're presenting it. You can always find extremists and crackpots in any group, and opponents can always project those people as being representative of the group. This is a human issue that is not confined to liberals and women, or liberals and hispanics. If you go out to rural locales and make a big show about being liberal in a conservative stronghold, people will invariably judge and mistreat you. If you're a conservative in a liberal stronghold and make a big show of it, invariably people will judge and mistreat you. Not everyone, but some. It's not right, I don't agree with it. And I feel like plenty people are moderate enough that they would agree. But somehow we can't stop the inmates from running the asylum. And our system seems to give greater weight to people who scream the loudest. People are smart enough to know if they scream loud enough they'll get their way. And options like compromise and collaboration take actual work, and why bother with work if screaming and fussing is accessible to everyone without any effort?
- mc32 9y ago
  Maybe it's the valley, maybe it's been the luck of my draws... Whenever politics surface in the companies I've worked for, it's assumed I'd agree with people's liberal takes. This is both overt and conversational, jovial, and other random conversations and comments. The undercurrent is always liberally bent. I feel that and have always leaned left (in most ways, but not all), although I'm starting to have my doubts as the left seems to want to go hard left with identity politics.
enraged_camel 9y ago
You are conflating two different issues. Voting is always better than not voting, even when it seems as if your vote makes no difference. Aside from that though, yes, it is bizarre when people vote for candidates who have a track record of screwing over people like them. This isn't unique to women.
- mc32 9y ago
  It's only bizarre from your point of view, or mine. These people are making rational decisions. Some blacks voted for Trump because they also believed in the things he espouses over some individually significant issue. Affluent male whites voted for Hillary when the left were saying Republicans only favor rich people, etc. so "voted against their self interest". People are complicated.