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Keep politics/religion out of work. Its one thing to rant on reddit at end of day, its another to broadcast it to co workers. What did he expect would happen? H
by cnlwsu 9y ago
Keep politics/religion out of work. Its one thing to rant on reddit at end of day, its another to broadcast it to co workers. What did he expect would happen? His little write up would change everyones mind? Both left/right are extremists these days and will never change. All you will do is alienate and anger a bunch of co workers for a few pats on back from "your" side. While the smart people will put heads down and get actual work done at work and talk politics at end of day at a bar with friends/family like the rest of the country.
- swalsh 9y agoI'd mostly agree with you, but this was not an "in general" opinion that he posted to some "off topic" list. It was a direct opinion about the policies of his company. There is no better place to disagree with your companies internal hiring policies, than on an internal mailing list.
- novembermike 9y agoIn fact, this might be legally protected speech. I don't know how applicable they are but there are a few old pro-union laws on the books that prevent people from being fired because they were talking about improving the workplace or because they discussed discrimination they reasonably felt was happening (it doesn't matter if it actually happened).
- Mangalor 9y agoFalse equivalency. The left at least advocates for inclusion, and asking your workplace not to discriminate is not "just as bad as" saying women shouldn't be able to be engineers.
- TeMPOraL 9y ago> asking your workplace not to discriminate is not "just as bad as" saying women shouldn't be able to be engineers The former is exactly what the author of the memo did, and they got fired for it.
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- mc32 9y agoThey advocate for inclusion but oftentimes want their kind of inclusion. For example they may want women to go out and vote, so long as they vote for their candidate. How dare they "vote against their self interest". Like when Hispanics get ostracized for voting republican as if they owe it to Democrats to vote for them.
- java_script 9y agoAgreed, I'm for the political party that just wants people to vote, regardless of which candidate they're voting for. That truly real party that we all know and love.
- mc32 9y agoThat's kind of an ideal party. They organize the vote but don't promote any candidate. Just make sure you are ready to vote, if you are willing to exercise your vote.
- Brockenstein 9y agoI don't believe that's true. At least not in the overly generalized way you're presenting it. You can always find extremists and crackpots in any group, and opponents can always project those people as being representative of the group. This is a human issue that is not confined to liberals and women, or liberals and hispanics. If you go out to rural locales and make a big show about being liberal in a conservative stronghold, people will invariably judge and mistreat you. If you're a conservative in a liberal stronghold and make a big show of it, invariably people will judge and mistreat you. Not everyone, but some. It's not right, I don't agree with it. And I feel like plenty people are moderate enough that they would agree. But somehow we can't stop the inmates from running the asylum. And our system seems to give greater weight to people who scream the loudest. People are smart enough to know if they scream loud enough they'll get their way. And options like compromise and collaboration take actual work, and why bother with work if screaming and fussing is accessible to everyone without any effort?
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- letmetalkdang 9y agoIf politics is to be kept out of the workplace, should everyone who participated in this be punished? https://www.theverge.com/google/2017/1/30/14446466/google-immigration-protest-walkout-trump-googlers-unite https://www.theverge.com/google/2017/1/30/14446466/google-im... Sure seems like it's only conservative politics at the workplace being punished.
- hncens0rship 9y agoIf politics is to be kept out of the workplace, does that mean everyone who participated in this should be fired? https://www.theverge.com/google/2017/1/30/14446466/google-immigration-protest-walkout-trump-googlers-unite https://www.theverge.com/google/2017/1/30/14446466/google-im...
- sremani 9y agoThere was a political rally in Google Campuses in Feb 2017. So, may be you vanilla comments are generally applicable, Google has sort of exempted itself. Now some people in Google are creating black-lists of colleagues. http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/08/07/revealed-inside-googles-sjw-cabal-blacklists/ http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/08/07/revealed-inside-goo...
- edynoid 9y agoThat is barely credible given the source is Breitbart.
- cema 9y agoAn aside note: I have noticed that recently (starting about one year ago) there has been a meme of Breitbart not being a reliable source, while its opposite counterpart Huffington Post does not seem to have this reputation. I wonder if there is a better reason for that than just political disagreement, perhaps there are studies on the relative reliability of different sources (online and offline)? Thanks!
- edynoid 9y agoAdmittedly I have not fact-checked a statistically significant sample of their articles. But their Wikipedia article for instance tells a tale of published falsehoods, conspiracy theories and the like. The political disagreement is an orthogonal factor, but does play a role, of course.
- EJTH 9y agoAre you really too lazy to do your own fact checking on a case to case basis instead of relying on these rediculus memes to keep yourself from reading something that might hurt your feel feels?
- jazzyk 9y agoIf you are alleging that they photo-shopped these screenshots - it would be intellectually honest to present a proof, rather than just smear the source, because you don't like it.
- vivekd 9y agoBut the memo wasn't a political document, it was a document about google's diversity policies that was geared towards starting a discussion and changing those polices: Here is a copy of the memo https://gizmodo.com/exclusive-heres-the-full-10-page-anti-diversity-screed-1797564320 https://gizmodo.com/exclusive-heres-the-full-10-page-anti-di...
- imron 9y ago> Here is a copy of the memo A copy that conveniently leaves out all the links and citations, as well as several graphs and charts. And while they do note that "two charts and several hyperlinks are also omitted", one of those charts is quite important given that it's right before he starts going on about how men and women differ on average, but that "Populations have significant overlap. Reducing people to their group identity and assuming the average is representative ignores this overlap (this is bad and I don't endorse that)" Anyway, here's the full thing, links and charts included: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-Ideological-Echo-Chamber.pdf https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-I...
- EJTH 9y agoYup. This is the state of modern journalism. Its not a lie if you ommit something apparently. But its a dick move to fit this bullshit story into their agenda.
- jryan49 9y agoI thought he just released it on his google+ and it became viral?
- davidreiss 9y ago> Keep politics/religion out of work. I agree with this. But given how political google is ( remember google's arab spring movement, it's lgbt stance, etc ), maybe google should also be political/religious neutral. Every July, google changes it's frontpage to state their pro-lgbt political stance. > its another to broadcast it to co workers. He didn't broadcast it to his coworkers. It was an internal discussion. > Both left/right are extremists these days and will never change. Except that leftists extremism is rather normalized in media/corporations. At google and in the media, you can say there are too many men or too many whites in technology. What would be deemed hateful if only the "genders/races" were switched in the statement is considered "progressive" by the media/corporations. > All you will do is alienate and anger a bunch of co workers for a few pats on back from "your" side. Google's stance on lgbt, diversity, etc also alienates people. The problem I have here is that only one side gets to speak while the other side is censored and attack. I'm pro-lgbt and pro-diversity. But I also don't want censorship, intimidation and oppression.
- edynoid 9y agoThis sounds like that weird right-wing notion of "censorship", that has become popular recently. Let me elaborate a little… When I hear "censorship" I am thinking of government agents sitting in newspaper editorial rooms striking out all statements in an article that does not align with the government's point of view. It means actively suppressing certain kinds of information from being distributed. What is happening here, looks more like this: a Google employee publishes an email. Lots of people in the company find the content objectionable. Subsequently they decide that they do not want to work with somebody having these opinions. I do not see, how that is even close to censorship. It is not like he has a right to keep that particular job. He can still go out on the street and shout his opinion at the crowd. Censorship, intimidation & oppression are very strong words to describe a situation, where somebody lost their job, because they wrote an objectionable essay on a company mailing list. There is a difference between a right to express your opinion, which I support, and a right not to face any resistance or social consequences for voicing that same opinion. The latter of which is made up by the political right trying to relabel it as "free speech". You can't cry censorship every time you are criticized for something you said. And let's be honest here: white men with regressive points of view are still not particularly threatened of not being heard. After all, they are well represented in pretty much every single powerful institution like parliaments, courts and executive boards. They'll manage to get their opinion heard, I'm afraid.
- jazzyk 9y agoI agree, but it should start at the top: "Eric Schmidt [and a sizeable team of Googlers]* played a crucial role in Team Hillary’s election tech". https://qz.com/823922/eric-schmidt-played-a-crucial-role-in-team-hillarys-election-tech/ https://qz.com/823922/eric-schmidt-played-a-crucial-role-in-... *from other sources