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In your numerous replies, two things are clear. You're annoyed that older coders can struggle to get jobs and you think women can start their own companies and
by mattmanser 9y ago
In your numerous replies, two things are clear. You're annoyed that older coders can struggle to get jobs and you think women can start their own companies and programming clubs and seem to be insinuating that they should leave ours alone.
If you're having a problem getting a job 'cause you're old in SV, I'm sorry. I have no such age discrimination problem in the UK, loads of jobs here but not any where as well paid as the US. I might point out that you had 20 years to make a ton of bank. If you want to fix age discrimination, campaign for it, but leave it out of this thread.
As for companies being boys clubs, to me that's clearly unacceptable, it's simply wrong to say that a "company culture" can be male only as that's clear discrimination.
If you think that discrimination's ok, it feels as if you want to take it out on women because you want to go back to living in a man-cave, replete with pizzas and then a late night coding sessions followed by a game of Quake, where women don't fit because they spurned us at high school. And if they want to join in, they better start their own company.
Do that with your mates, that view doesn't belong in a company, shouldn't belong in a company. It's not a male-only social club.
But if you agree that's wrong, you and I caused this problem, and we're the ones who have to fix it, have the opportunity to fix it. Perhaps our Dads and Grandads told us computers are for men only, but they aren't and we don't have to wait until your kids are growing up to fix this. We can fix this now, and positive discrimination is a way that works.
Tech is growing up and we need to fix the gender imbalance we helped cause.
- ThomPete 9y agoI am not a coder, I have no issues getting work as I run my own company. But it's now clear that without strawmen you have no arguments just insults and claims about my person you can't back up. But I guess that's kind of symptomatic for this discussion isn't it?
- mattmanser 9y agoThese are your arguments, it's not a strawman when you're saying these things. These are direct quotes, of you, in this thread: Old white male coders in SV, which it now turns out you have no personal experience of and just making stuff up about: Try being +40 in Silicon Valley Try and get a job in SV after you turn 45. Examples of you saying women can't be part of our club, because they didn't play with the right toys when they were 12: Women aren't tech nerds as much as men are we know that for a fact men also takes the most high paying jobs because more of them were interested in technology early on and are better at selling themselves is that less women start companies or get into tech early on Examples of you saying women can't be a part of existing tech companies, they should form their own: get more women to start a tech company More women will hopefully start companies and I hope some of them will hire only women Push your girls to start their own companies to build their own networks In Norway where they have quotas all that happened is that now there is just also an old ladies network with the same women sitting on many of the boards
- ThomPete 9y agoYou are the gift that keeps giving huh. More strawmen. Those are not arguments they are facts you can educate yourself about them which is obviously not in your interest. Furthermore I would suggest you learn the language of the country you live in. None of those quotes mean what you claim they mean.