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> need to accept that a baker can refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding. White nationalists are not a Federal protected class, homosexuals are. This whole t
by ko27 9y ago
> need to accept that a baker can refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding.
White nationalists are not a Federal protected class, homosexuals are.
This whole thread is full of people who are tying relativize every kind of behavior. Not everything is subjective, our civilization has guidelines on what's accepted as moral and what is immoral.
- koolba 9y agoSource? I'm pretty sure sexual orientation is not (currently) a federally protected class. The statute is regarding "sex" as in gender. EDIT: GC comment verifies my understanding. It's not a uniform application of the statute and depends on the Federal agency involved (ex EEO vs Education).
- ko27 9y agoSex is interpreted to include discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity. https://www.eeoc.gov/federal/otherprotections.cfm https://www.eeoc.gov/federal/otherprotections.cfm EDIT for you edit: "De jure" vs "De facto". Even if you interpreted it to not include sexual orientation, it would not hold in practice or court.
- gnicholas 9y agoThe EEOC interpretation is one of many (and only applies within the purview of the Employment Equal Opportunity Commission, so not here). As a counterpoint, the current administration's Dept. of Education is taking a different stance on this question. And neither SCOTUS nor any other binding authority has weighed in.
- olegkikin 9y agoThese are employment discrimination protections. That has nothing to do with the baker refusing the service example.
- islanderfun 9y agoBut some members of society find homosexuals immoral. "Civilization guidelines" could deprive members of their freedom. Devil's advocate. Consenting adults should do as they please.
- danesparza 9y agoAs long as those folks that find homosexuals immoral don't actually discriminate against homosexuals, I think we're fine.
- islanderfun 9y agoLive and let live. That would be an ideal out come.
- ue_ 9y agoThat would be ideal but as a general principle for all of society it is too weak in my view, especially from the idea of class, power structure, coercion and historicism, the principle that to understand society one must look at its history rather than the more limited scope of thousands of isolated interactions.