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Listen to yourself, substitute the words you just used with the words any reasonable woman hears: What if women are just not as intelligent? What if they could

Listen to yourself, substitute the words you just used with the words any reasonable woman hears: What if women are just not as intelligent? What if they could be as intelligent, but are lazy? I appreciate you think you're being rational and reasonable. You're not.

lmm 9y ago
Well, what if that's so? Are we really so fragile that we dare not even ask that question? Could it be that we're scared of the answer? There are plenty of posts in this thread expressing stronger and more negative generalisations about men, how is it that we're not so scared of those? The only way to reach truth is to be willing to look for it.
- mattmanser 9y ago
  It's not being afraid of asking a question, it's not a question. You're just "ask"-ing if women are as "not good/stupid", or that perhaps they "aren't interested/are lazy". It's just a gender stereotype dressed up as a question. It's an insult dressed in an insinuation.
ThomPete 9y ago
Why do you have to make up something which wasn't said to have an argument? Women do make different choices we know that for a fact. Women aren't tech nerds as much as men are we know that for a fact. Women start far fewer companies than men we know that for a fact. We also know that women score way higher grades in school which we also know for a fact doesn't matter in real life. So maybe women (in general) are just prioritizing life differently. That doesn't mean they aren't as intelligent, smart etc. If you can't make your argument without pushing for strawmen then you don't have one yourself.
- mattmanser 9y ago
  It was said, that's the point. Claim that women aren't as good, is claiming they're stupid. Claiming they don't want it is claiming they're lazy. It's just trying being polite about it. It's still an irrational bias, no matter how you dress it up.
  - thegenius2000 9y ago
    That is preposterous. What if they're just more interested in other things? Why do you assume a priori that men and women share the same interests internally? What evidence do you have which suggests this? OR are you just making an assumption because it seems "unsexist"?
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  - ThomPete 9y ago
    No it's the same and if you believe that you are wrong. There is a world of difference between someone having spent their entire life coding and someone only starting at university. Or someone having learned to draw from the age of 5 and someone who starts way later in life. That applies to men as to women. Being not as good is about experience and knowledge having put in the hours. It is not about intelligence.
  - godd2 9y ago
    Women make up 75% of pediatricians. If I say that this is because men aren't as good at pediatrics, am I saying that men are stupid?
    - mattmanser 9y ago
      No, you're stupid because you're using an example that's a biological function primarily to do with women.
      - manfredo 9y ago
        Then consider a different intellectual profession dominated by women. 78% of publishers in the U.S. are women.[1] If I say that this is due to an innate differences rather than sexism against men in the publishing industry, am I saying that men are bad readers and stupid? [1] http://blog.leeandlow.com/2016/01/26/where-is-the-diversity-in-publishing-the-2015-diversity-baseline-survey-results/ http://blog.leeandlow.com/2016/01/26/where-is-the-diversity-... Also, can you clarify what you mean when you state that pediatrics is "an example that's a biological function primarily to do with women." Are you stating that women are innately (in other words, due to their gender) better suited to administering healthcare to minors as compared to men?

lmm 9y ago

Well, what if that's so? Are we really so fragile that we dare not even ask that question? Could it be that we're scared of the answer? There are plenty of posts in this thread expressing stronger and more negative generalisations about men, how is it that we're not so scared of those? The only way to reach truth is to be willing to look for it.

mattmanser 9y ago
It's not being afraid of asking a question, it's not a question. You're just "ask"-ing if women are as "not good/stupid", or that perhaps they "aren't interested/are lazy". It's just a gender stereotype dressed up as a question. It's an insult dressed in an insinuation.

ThomPete 9y ago

Why do you have to make up something which wasn't said to have an argument? Women do make different choices we know that for a fact. Women aren't tech nerds as much as men are we know that for a fact. Women start far fewer companies than men we know that for a fact. We also know that women score way higher grades in school which we also know for a fact doesn't matter in real life. So maybe women (in general) are just prioritizing life differently. That doesn't mean they aren't as intelligent, smart etc. If you can't make your argument without pushing for strawmen then you don't have one yourself.

mattmanser 9y ago
It was said, that's the point. Claim that women aren't as good, is claiming they're stupid. Claiming they don't want it is claiming they're lazy. It's just trying being polite about it. It's still an irrational bias, no matter how you dress it up.
- thegenius2000 9y ago
  That is preposterous. What if they're just more interested in other things? Why do you assume a priori that men and women share the same interests internally? What evidence do you have which suggests this? OR are you just making an assumption because it seems "unsexist"?
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- ThomPete 9y ago
  No it's the same and if you believe that you are wrong. There is a world of difference between someone having spent their entire life coding and someone only starting at university. Or someone having learned to draw from the age of 5 and someone who starts way later in life. That applies to men as to women. Being not as good is about experience and knowledge having put in the hours. It is not about intelligence.
- godd2 9y ago
  Women make up 75% of pediatricians. If I say that this is because men aren't as good at pediatrics, am I saying that men are stupid?
  - mattmanser 9y ago
    No, you're stupid because you're using an example that's a biological function primarily to do with women.
    - manfredo 9y ago
      Then consider a different intellectual profession dominated by women. 78% of publishers in the U.S. are women.[1] If I say that this is due to an innate differences rather than sexism against men in the publishing industry, am I saying that men are bad readers and stupid? [1] http://blog.leeandlow.com/2016/01/26/where-is-the-diversity-in-publishing-the-2015-diversity-baseline-survey-results/ http://blog.leeandlow.com/2016/01/26/where-is-the-diversity-... Also, can you clarify what you mean when you state that pediatrics is "an example that's a biological function primarily to do with women." Are you stating that women are innately (in other words, due to their gender) better suited to administering healthcare to minors as compared to men?