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I think he was smart and planned all of this. I am reading that he has previously complained to NLRB and plans to sue Google for firing him arguing that his dis

I think he was smart and planned all of this. I am reading that he has previously complained to NLRB and plans to sue Google for firing him arguing that his dismissal was a revenge. And by reading memo instead of its misinterpretations on feminist blogs it seems like he just pointed out that Google created environment where people who dont agree with current left leaning political correct agenda cant express their opinions safely anymore. And he got fired for exactly this: expressing opinions that are not aligned with SJW dogma. His language was very careful, his claims were sourced. He mentioned multiple times that this controversial points are not his personal opinions but rational explanations, and he was very careful to point out that he doesnt generalize based on this data. I havent find single sentence that could be used on court as proof of misogyny. He is guilty only of opening talking points SJWs and feminists dont want to talk about and use tactic of character assassination to dismiss messenger instead of debating his message. HR was forced to fire him by outrage that many of their vocal left leaning echo chamber activist caused. I am not convinced this was beneficial for google. He will probably won the case for compensation. And from PR perspective? Sure, regressive left, SJWs, hardcore hillary supporters... they will like this move. But conservative publications use this as perfect point to smear Google, accuse them of spreading left propaganda, accuse them of firing conservatives... I am not sure which camp is bigger and which brings more money.

generic_user 9y ago
Given that Republicans control the Presidency, The majority in the Congress and Senate the majority of Governorships and state houses its a safe bet not only are they larger but Conservative media is going to get the biggest wins from this. Its going to motivate and reconfirm to all the deplorable that yes, the Leftist Liberal San Francisco millionaires hate them and will fire and destroy the career of conservatives who dare to challenge the Left narrative. Brendan Eich 2.0.
- lurker69 9y ago
  Maybe. I have been reading that Bannon wants to start regulating big social media platforms as utilities, to limit their censoring and promoting narrative capabilities. https://theintercept.com/2017/07/27/steve-bannon-wants-facebook-and-google-regulated-like-utilities/ https://theintercept.com/2017/07/27/steve-bannon-wants-faceb... And I have to say that I agree with him. This platforms became global communication channel. This is not just private company website anymore. So decision to delete peoples accounts and posts cant be given in hands of some biased moderators with personal agenda. What is going on now on twitter and facebook, is comparable to phone company disabling your line because you have been talking naughty things over the phone.
danieltillett 9y ago
You could be right here. I read the memo and it read like something written to gain enough outrage for him to be fired, but tight enough that he could win any lawsuit that follows. I will be interested to see if anyone follows his example.
dguaraglia 9y ago
> And he got fired for exactly this: expressing opinions that are not aligned with SJW dogma. No, he got fired for making himself impossible to work with. If he disagreed with Google's and his fellow Googler's values, he could've left and go somewhere where he felt welcome. Trying to go out with a bang is just a douchebag move. > His language was very careful, his claims were sourced Where are the sources to his claims, pray tell? People keep repeating this as fact, but this is not a paper, and there's no list of references at the end of it. > He is guilty only of opening talking points SJWs and feminists dont want to talk about and use tactic of character assassination to dismiss messenger instead of debating his message. Calling people "SJWs" and "feminists" and ascribing some conspiracy to them proves the point that this was a dogwhistling exercise. You, my friend, are barking madly right now. > I am not convinced this was beneficial for google. I can guarantee he'll get his ass handed to him in court if he tries to sue Google for discrimination. Any corporation that size has ways to resolve these matters slowly and completely under the radar. To me his sudden dismissal is a strong signal that their legal department gave them the go ahead. They wouldn't do that if they didn't feel they have a solid case.
- ksk 9y ago
  >No, he got fired for making himself impossible to work with. The fact that a lot of people became hysterical instead of providing a simple calm response kind of proves his point - That a debate is not possible without people either slandering the author, or purposely assuming malicious intent when there was none. Are google employees so thin-skinned that someone simply questioning a company policy is cause for getting fired? > If he disagreed with Google's and his fellow Googler's values, he could've left and go somewhere where he felt welcome. What are you talking about? To the latter part, why should that be the only option? Who are we to tell someone what to do? What if he likes working at Google, and is merely annoyed at one small aspect and wanted to discuss it internally, or improve the situation?
  - dguaraglia 9y ago
    > The fact that a lot of people became hysterical instead of providing a simple calm response kind of proves his point Right. Seems like he valued his point more than his job. Well done, him! > What if he likes working at Google, and is merely annoyed at one small aspect Really? Calling the whole organization driven by "leftist ideals" is "a small aspect"? Give me a break. I can guarantee you wouldn't be able to tell me that with a straight face in person, but somehow expect me to take it at face value because you put it in writing.

generic_user 9y ago

Given that Republicans control the Presidency, The majority in the Congress and Senate the majority of Governorships and state houses its a safe bet not only are they larger but Conservative media is going to get the biggest wins from this. Its going to motivate and reconfirm to all the deplorable that yes, the Leftist Liberal San Francisco millionaires hate them and will fire and destroy the career of conservatives who dare to challenge the Left narrative. Brendan Eich 2.0.

lurker69 9y ago
Maybe. I have been reading that Bannon wants to start regulating big social media platforms as utilities, to limit their censoring and promoting narrative capabilities. https://theintercept.com/2017/07/27/steve-bannon-wants-facebook-and-google-regulated-like-utilities/ https://theintercept.com/2017/07/27/steve-bannon-wants-faceb... And I have to say that I agree with him. This platforms became global communication channel. This is not just private company website anymore. So decision to delete peoples accounts and posts cant be given in hands of some biased moderators with personal agenda. What is going on now on twitter and facebook, is comparable to phone company disabling your line because you have been talking naughty things over the phone.

danieltillett 9y ago

You could be right here. I read the memo and it read like something written to gain enough outrage for him to be fired, but tight enough that he could win any lawsuit that follows. I will be interested to see if anyone follows his example.

dguaraglia 9y ago

> And he got fired for exactly this: expressing opinions that are not aligned with SJW dogma. No, he got fired for making himself impossible to work with. If he disagreed with Google's and his fellow Googler's values, he could've left and go somewhere where he felt welcome. Trying to go out with a bang is just a douchebag move. > His language was very careful, his claims were sourced Where are the sources to his claims, pray tell? People keep repeating this as fact, but this is not a paper, and there's no list of references at the end of it. > He is guilty only of opening talking points SJWs and feminists dont want to talk about and use tactic of character assassination to dismiss messenger instead of debating his message. Calling people "SJWs" and "feminists" and ascribing some conspiracy to them proves the point that this was a dogwhistling exercise. You, my friend, are barking madly right now. > I am not convinced this was beneficial for google. I can guarantee he'll get his ass handed to him in court if he tries to sue Google for discrimination. Any corporation that size has ways to resolve these matters slowly and completely under the radar. To me his sudden dismissal is a strong signal that their legal department gave them the go ahead. They wouldn't do that if they didn't feel they have a solid case.

ksk 9y ago
>No, he got fired for making himself impossible to work with. The fact that a lot of people became hysterical instead of providing a simple calm response kind of proves his point - That a debate is not possible without people either slandering the author, or purposely assuming malicious intent when there was none. Are google employees so thin-skinned that someone simply questioning a company policy is cause for getting fired? > If he disagreed with Google's and his fellow Googler's values, he could've left and go somewhere where he felt welcome. What are you talking about? To the latter part, why should that be the only option? Who are we to tell someone what to do? What if he likes working at Google, and is merely annoyed at one small aspect and wanted to discuss it internally, or improve the situation?
- dguaraglia 9y ago
  > The fact that a lot of people became hysterical instead of providing a simple calm response kind of proves his point Right. Seems like he valued his point more than his job. Well done, him! > What if he likes working at Google, and is merely annoyed at one small aspect Really? Calling the whole organization driven by "leftist ideals" is "a small aspect"? Give me a break. I can guarantee you wouldn't be able to tell me that with a straight face in person, but somehow expect me to take it at face value because you put it in writing.