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I just wanted to record my position on this because I in no way support what you're saying. I fully support reservation for people who belong to traditionally m

I just wanted to record my position on this because I in no way support what you're saying. I fully support reservation for people who belong to traditionally marginalized communities when it comes to education. The only way you can make me reconsider is to make education free of cost and open to all candidates regardless of merit. However, you do raise a good point. Reservation policy should not extend into the work force. I am more in favor of literal handouts of cash rather than forced diversity in the workplace. Come to think of it, basic income can't come soon enough. I don't mean we need to end diversity programs in the workplace but the way it was explained to me was these were recruitment programs and not hiring programs. Considering gender or caste or color of skin as one of the conditions for employment should be illegal in all nations.

kamaal 9y ago
>>I fully support reservation for people who belong to traditionally marginalized communities when it comes to education. This was the original vision of the people who designed the reservation system in India. Their idea was some people where so behind in the social strata that merely expecting them to make up on hard work would take it forever to work. But this policy should have some expiry conditions. Else it leads to absurd conditions like it does in India. There are cases where the father is a well earning rich doctor, and the kids still get reservations. There is a guy who has just done his MBBS, and yet he qualifies for reservation for a MD seat. Entry and qualifying marks/percentages are lower for reservation seats, so you have a condition where exceptionally good performers and bad performers are both in the same peer group in a class, and then the bad performing group routinely does bad and loses out. >>Reservation policy should not extend into the work force. Once you create a entitled group of people, you can't succeed them in stopping them from asking special privileges in other places.
JTrilogy 9y ago
> Considering gender or caste or color of skin as one of the conditions for employment should be illegal in all nations. Given research showing that the most diverse teams are, on average, more successful than less diverse teams [1], should gender or caste or color still never be considered? People bring more to their workplaces than algorithms and programming languages, their life experiences and worldview can positively influence the whole company. The employer should encourage new ideas, create an environment where everyone feels empowered to contribute, and facilitate education and improvement for all employees. Algorithms, programming languages, technology stacks, etc. can all be taught. The perspective an employee brings to the company can not be taught. I think we would agree that gender, race, and ethnicity are crude proxies for a "unique worldview". There are so many metrics that could be considered: education, location history, age, previous work, hobbies, etc. Even more can be gleaned from a conversation. A good hiring manager should know that too, and should select candidates who truly complement the team, not just check the boxes for race and gender. [1] https://hbr.org/2016/11/why-diverse-teams-are-smarter https://hbr.org/2016/11/why-diverse-teams-are-smarter
jorgemf 9y ago
> The only way you can make me reconsider is to make education free of cost and open to all candidates regardless of merit. This is true for some countries and the problems and solutions are still the same.

kamaal 9y ago

>>I fully support reservation for people who belong to traditionally marginalized communities when it comes to education. This was the original vision of the people who designed the reservation system in India. Their idea was some people where so behind in the social strata that merely expecting them to make up on hard work would take it forever to work. But this policy should have some expiry conditions. Else it leads to absurd conditions like it does in India. There are cases where the father is a well earning rich doctor, and the kids still get reservations. There is a guy who has just done his MBBS, and yet he qualifies for reservation for a MD seat. Entry and qualifying marks/percentages are lower for reservation seats, so you have a condition where exceptionally good performers and bad performers are both in the same peer group in a class, and then the bad performing group routinely does bad and loses out. >>Reservation policy should not extend into the work force. Once you create a entitled group of people, you can't succeed them in stopping them from asking special privileges in other places.

JTrilogy 9y ago

> Considering gender or caste or color of skin as one of the conditions for employment should be illegal in all nations. Given research showing that the most diverse teams are, on average, more successful than less diverse teams [1], should gender or caste or color still never be considered? People bring more to their workplaces than algorithms and programming languages, their life experiences and worldview can positively influence the whole company. The employer should encourage new ideas, create an environment where everyone feels empowered to contribute, and facilitate education and improvement for all employees. Algorithms, programming languages, technology stacks, etc. can all be taught. The perspective an employee brings to the company can not be taught. I think we would agree that gender, race, and ethnicity are crude proxies for a "unique worldview". There are so many metrics that could be considered: education, location history, age, previous work, hobbies, etc. Even more can be gleaned from a conversation. A good hiring manager should know that too, and should select candidates who truly complement the team, not just check the boxes for race and gender. [1] https://hbr.org/2016/11/why-diverse-teams-are-smarter https://hbr.org/2016/11/why-diverse-teams-are-smarter

jorgemf 9y ago

> The only way you can make me reconsider is to make education free of cost and open to all candidates regardless of merit. This is true for some countries and the problems and solutions are still the same.