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Yup, I totally agree. As an immigrant, I sure as hell wouldn't fight for either of the countries I'm a citizen of or any other for that matter. The whole idea o

by mnm1 9y ago

Yup, I totally agree. As an immigrant, I sure as hell wouldn't fight for either of the countries I'm a citizen of or any other for that matter. The whole idea of fighting for your country is stupid, idiotic, and frankly insane, especially if there is an alternative. It seems to me even natives, especially in Western Europe, are now realizing this. That's great to see. There truly is nothing more disgusting than war, regardless of the motive (even defense). Nothing can bring people lower than war. Nothing is more insane.

biggerbistro 9y ago
So what happens when you run out of places to run to? Do you just wave goodbye to your Jewish neighbors? Put a headscarf on your wife and tell her not to go outside without a male relative? Head down to the gulags for your shift? The reason we have nice countries like in Western Europe for you to live in is because they have deterrence against invasion by those who wish to take it from us. You can't just leave and expect to wind up in a similar country with Western values that will be unthreatened by the same threats.
justin66 9y ago
> There truly is nothing more disgusting than war The first counterexample that came to mind: to be exterminated without even putting up a fight.
- snakeanus 9y ago
  It seems that you are assuming that the attacking country would employ some form of genocide tactic.
  - justin66 9y ago
    As I said, merely the first counterexample that came to mind. I'd judge surrendering your freedom and your property without putting up a fight as "more disgusting than war." Allowing an innocent ally to be conquered probably also qualifies. There's really quite a lot of stuff that is "more disgusting than war." But people can feel free to choose what they're disgusted by...
  - reading-at-work 9y ago
    It's a valid example. There are people alive today who remember that exact scenario happening, in Western Europe itself no less.

by mnm1 9y ago

biggerbistro 9y ago

So what happens when you run out of places to run to? Do you just wave goodbye to your Jewish neighbors? Put a headscarf on your wife and tell her not to go outside without a male relative? Head down to the gulags for your shift? The reason we have nice countries like in Western Europe for you to live in is because they have deterrence against invasion by those who wish to take it from us. You can't just leave and expect to wind up in a similar country with Western values that will be unthreatened by the same threats.

justin66 9y ago

> There truly is nothing more disgusting than war The first counterexample that came to mind: to be exterminated without even putting up a fight.

snakeanus 9y ago
It seems that you are assuming that the attacking country would employ some form of genocide tactic.
- justin66 9y ago
  As I said, merely the first counterexample that came to mind. I'd judge surrendering your freedom and your property without putting up a fight as "more disgusting than war." Allowing an innocent ally to be conquered probably also qualifies. There's really quite a lot of stuff that is "more disgusting than war." But people can feel free to choose what they're disgusted by...
- reading-at-work 9y ago
  It's a valid example. There are people alive today who remember that exact scenario happening, in Western Europe itself no less.