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Some European countries, like Sweden, now have 25% of residents with a motherland which is not the country they live in. Would an Afhan boy living in Sweden fig
by draugadrotten 9y ago
Some European countries, like Sweden, now have 25% of residents with a motherland which is not the country they live in. Would an Afhan boy living in Sweden fight for Sweden, or would he just take a flight back home to his real motherland? Would an American living in Germany fight for Germany, or take the next flight home? I think we all know the answer, and therefore large parts of the people living on European soil will not fight anymore. They would just leave.
- mnm1 9y agoYup, I totally agree. As an immigrant, I sure as hell wouldn't fight for either of the countries I'm a citizen of or any other for that matter. The whole idea of fighting for your country is stupid, idiotic, and frankly insane, especially if there is an alternative. It seems to me even natives, especially in Western Europe, are now realizing this. That's great to see. There truly is nothing more disgusting than war, regardless of the motive (even defense). Nothing can bring people lower than war. Nothing is more insane.
- biggerbistro 9y agoSo what happens when you run out of places to run to? Do you just wave goodbye to your Jewish neighbors? Put a headscarf on your wife and tell her not to go outside without a male relative? Head down to the gulags for your shift? The reason we have nice countries like in Western Europe for you to live in is because they have deterrence against invasion by those who wish to take it from us. You can't just leave and expect to wind up in a similar country with Western values that will be unthreatened by the same threats.
- justin66 9y ago> There truly is nothing more disgusting than war The first counterexample that came to mind: to be exterminated without even putting up a fight.
- snakeanus 9y agoIt seems that you are assuming that the attacking country would employ some form of genocide tactic.
- justin66 9y agoAs I said, merely the first counterexample that came to mind. I'd judge surrendering your freedom and your property without putting up a fight as "more disgusting than war." Allowing an innocent ally to be conquered probably also qualifies. There's really quite a lot of stuff that is "more disgusting than war." But people can feel free to choose what they're disgusted by...
- reading-at-work 9y agoIt's a valid example. There are people alive today who remember that exact scenario happening, in Western Europe itself no less.
- snakeanus 9y agoDoes not really explain the Japan case.
- wonderwonder 9y agoThe French Foreign Legion would like a word...
- CalRobert 9y ago"I think we all know the answer" Please enlighten us then. If you don't have data or personal experience to share, do you have anything of value to contribute? Immigrants to nations have fought for their adopted homes with ferocity in the past. It make sense, really - this is somebody who liked (loved, even) the country so much that they worked hard to get there, as opposed to someone who happened to be born there and so is there by default. Also, one complication to consider in your example of the American in Germany is that US citizens who join foreign militaries risk losing their US citizenship. Of course, for some people that's not a problem (there are a lot of accidental US citizens), but for others and their families it could pose an issue. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal-considerations/us-citizenship-laws-policies/citizenship-and-dual-nationality/citizenship-and-foreign-military-service.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal-considerati...