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just reading quickly through the document (memo? manifesto? commentary?), it's obviously highly political, both in positional language and ideological couching.

just reading quickly through the document (memo? manifesto? commentary?), it's obviously highly political, both in positional language and ideological couching. the author may believe he is being completely logical in his thinking, but it's full of post-hoc rationalization. * disappointed * should the guy have been fired? probably. it's political and divisive and disrupts the workplace. but he'll bounce back. it's not like he was black and selling crack on the corner. are the ideas worth debating? yes, at least some of them. just not in a public document directed at your employer ...in a righteous, sometimes condescending tone. that's just dumb, or more charitably, a rookie mistake. you just gotta know that kind of stuff can get you fired, even if you see yourself as the hero (spoiler: ned stark, season 1). i'm a little disappointed at the amount of panning required to find the interesting nuggets of discussion buried in this otherwise huge dung heap of political posturing (on both sides) in these comments. is it nature or nuture? my gosh, it just might be both! what's fascinating to me is the document's lens onto a parallel rationalization and political decision calculus that leads us to a president trump. it's not the totality of it by any stretch of the imagination, but it smells of that sense of loss and frustration by the perennial political winners who (real or imagined) see their grip on the political narrative weakening. how will it turn out? stay tuned for next week's episode, when we find out who jon's parents are! * eyebrow arched over beer mug held with an erect pinky finger

kkarakk 9y ago
Mental associations do have weight and it does take significant effort to dispel negative associations.just like you could've just gone with selling crack on the corner but you had to throw in black for what i assume is a pretty obvious(to you) association of being black and selling crack and being rightfully fired. this isn't an interesting point but i thought the idea that we needed more diversity in an industry that thrives on a diversity of ideas was also not an interesting point. yet here it is being debated hotly. people don't see what they don't see
lurker69 9y ago
I think he knew very well what he was doing. >As a child, Damore was a chess champion, earning the FIDE Master title, putting him in the >99th percentile, according to his CV. and > Damore plans to sue Google; he had previously complained to NLRB and wants to argue that his dismissal was a revenge which would be illegal. See a Damore's defiant answer to Reuters. Should explain it well. He knew very well what result will be, thats why he put his name on memo. He knew that SJWs at google will pressure HR to fire him. Apparently he prepared the ground with NLRB complains. And if you have read full non redacted memo with sources and pictures you can see he was very careful with wording and he pointed out that controversial things are not his opinions but he provided other sources for them. There is nothing Google can use on real court (they have enough to convict him according to SJW norms in echo chamber court though) to prove that he was misogynistic. Also he is getting a lot of support from right leaning and centrist media. I would say that way more people support him than support Google firing him. Timing is also in his advantage. Recently google disabled youtube and gmail account of Jordan Peterson, youtube announced thy plan to isolate videos with controversial views despite not braking ToS, and accusation that google manipulates search results to favor left talking points are around for long time. There are a lot of articles, blogs and videos about those topics currently and this is quite effective smearing campaign against google that pushes users to think about alternatives to google products.
peoplewindow 9y ago
He didn't write a public document. He wrote an internal document that was then leaked - without a doubt by his ideological enemies. Hiring policy is something Google has always encouraged its employees to debate. Not any more, of course. This guy didn't do things wrong, not by the standards of the old Google at least. He raised deep questions about Google's internal culture which absolutely affects their business, in a private document intended for his colleagues (who are ultimately the creators of any companies culture).

kkarakk 9y ago

Mental associations do have weight and it does take significant effort to dispel negative associations.just like you could've just gone with selling crack on the corner but you had to throw in black for what i assume is a pretty obvious(to you) association of being black and selling crack and being rightfully fired. this isn't an interesting point but i thought the idea that we needed more diversity in an industry that thrives on a diversity of ideas was also not an interesting point. yet here it is being debated hotly. people don't see what they don't see

lurker69 9y ago

I think he knew very well what he was doing. >As a child, Damore was a chess champion, earning the FIDE Master title, putting him in the >99th percentile, according to his CV. and > Damore plans to sue Google; he had previously complained to NLRB and wants to argue that his dismissal was a revenge which would be illegal. See a Damore's defiant answer to Reuters. Should explain it well. He knew very well what result will be, thats why he put his name on memo. He knew that SJWs at google will pressure HR to fire him. Apparently he prepared the ground with NLRB complains. And if you have read full non redacted memo with sources and pictures you can see he was very careful with wording and he pointed out that controversial things are not his opinions but he provided other sources for them. There is nothing Google can use on real court (they have enough to convict him according to SJW norms in echo chamber court though) to prove that he was misogynistic. Also he is getting a lot of support from right leaning and centrist media. I would say that way more people support him than support Google firing him. Timing is also in his advantage. Recently google disabled youtube and gmail account of Jordan Peterson, youtube announced thy plan to isolate videos with controversial views despite not braking ToS, and accusation that google manipulates search results to favor left talking points are around for long time. There are a lot of articles, blogs and videos about those topics currently and this is quite effective smearing campaign against google that pushes users to think about alternatives to google products.

peoplewindow 9y ago

He didn't write a public document. He wrote an internal document that was then leaked - without a doubt by his ideological enemies. Hiring policy is something Google has always encouraged its employees to debate. Not any more, of course. This guy didn't do things wrong, not by the standards of the old Google at least. He raised deep questions about Google's internal culture which absolutely affects their business, in a private document intended for his colleagues (who are ultimately the creators of any companies culture).