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> "Treat people as individuals, not as just another member of their group." "But beware of this particular subgroup, because they are biologically inclined to

> "Treat people as individuals, not as just another member of their group." "But beware of this particular subgroup, because they are biologically inclined to not be as interested or good in the subject." > Everyone is just rushing to virtue signal, to demonstrate their own purity of thought No, people are pissed that it's 2017 and people are still trying to make an argument for the superiority of testosterone as a predictor for success in a particular field. Can't we just give everyone a chance, instead of trying to pigeonhole them right away? > A particular brand of liberalism has reached the point of being a religion, and the establishment is running an inquisition against any who dare to question its points of dogma. Please don't pay attention to the actual religious agenda being pushed by the party currently in power. You know, the one that is actually running an inquisition against LGBTQ people? The one that wants to tell women what to do with their bodies? No dogma there, surely. > This is the closing of the American mind. The closing of the American mind started happening when a political party decided to take over religion and anti-intellectualism as their platform. That's why we've gotten to the point where being called an "expert" is paramount to an insult in certain contexts.

TheAdamAndChe 9y ago
> Can't we just give everyone a chance, instead of trying to pigeonhole them right away? The enginner did not say women can't be engineers, merely implied that the gender imbalance in the field may not be entirely the result of society. There are very real, very definite emotional and psychological differences between men and women overall[1]. Why is it so weird to think that those differences might lead to different career paths? >Please don't pay attention to the actual religious agenda being pushed by the party currently in power. You know, the one that is actually running an inquisition against LGBTQ people? The one that wants to tell women what to do with their bodies? No dogma there, surely. Just that the other side is crazy too doesn't mean we shouldn't point out the possible weaknesses of the left. Extreme political polarization on both sides combined with a decline in peoples' willingness to consider the opinions of those who oppose them is part of what is causing all this. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_psychology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_psychology
- dguaraglia 9y ago
  > The enginner did not say women can't be engineers, merely implied that the gender imbalance in the field may not be entirely the result of society And this is where he should've exercised better judgement. You can hold that view personally, you can discuss it with your friends, maybe you can go and try to run a study on it with some actual sociologists. Don't go around pushing pseudoscience in the work place to justify your views, then expect everyone to applaud you. > Just because the other side is crazy The other side is deeply integrated with their crazier part and now they hold Congress and the presidency. But somehow, we need to focus on how Google firing someone for saying shit he knew was going to be controversial and would generate a reaction is "the leftist religion."
  - gfody 9y ago
    > Don't go around pushing pseudoscience in the work place to justify your views is it really pseudoscience though? it seems reasonable to acknowledge psychological differences between men and women (from your gender identity - not biologically), and he cited sources (I didn't read them, I would hope for his sake that they're credible) there's no precedent for acknowledging and addressing psychological differences in the workplace though (at least for professional office work). I think basic professionalism is based on ignoring our differences for the sake of having a sterile "just the facts" meritocratic environment conducive to business. giving the guy every possible benefit of the doubt, I think he's just guilty of being unprofessional, not misogynist. he's also guilty of being stupid for not realizing this was a minefield in the first place and walking right into it without being extremely careful with his phrasing and more sensitive to mainstream points of view. I can get behind firing him for being unprofessional/stupid, but I feel bad for him for the amount of negative press he's getting.

TheAdamAndChe 9y ago

> Can't we just give everyone a chance, instead of trying to pigeonhole them right away? The enginner did not say women can't be engineers, merely implied that the gender imbalance in the field may not be entirely the result of society. There are very real, very definite emotional and psychological differences between men and women overall[1]. Why is it so weird to think that those differences might lead to different career paths? >Please don't pay attention to the actual religious agenda being pushed by the party currently in power. You know, the one that is actually running an inquisition against LGBTQ people? The one that wants to tell women what to do with their bodies? No dogma there, surely. Just that the other side is crazy too doesn't mean we shouldn't point out the possible weaknesses of the left. Extreme political polarization on both sides combined with a decline in peoples' willingness to consider the opinions of those who oppose them is part of what is causing all this. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_psychology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_psychology

dguaraglia 9y ago
> The enginner did not say women can't be engineers, merely implied that the gender imbalance in the field may not be entirely the result of society And this is where he should've exercised better judgement. You can hold that view personally, you can discuss it with your friends, maybe you can go and try to run a study on it with some actual sociologists. Don't go around pushing pseudoscience in the work place to justify your views, then expect everyone to applaud you. > Just because the other side is crazy The other side is deeply integrated with their crazier part and now they hold Congress and the presidency. But somehow, we need to focus on how Google firing someone for saying shit he knew was going to be controversial and would generate a reaction is "the leftist religion."
- gfody 9y ago
  > Don't go around pushing pseudoscience in the work place to justify your views is it really pseudoscience though? it seems reasonable to acknowledge psychological differences between men and women (from your gender identity - not biologically), and he cited sources (I didn't read them, I would hope for his sake that they're credible) there's no precedent for acknowledging and addressing psychological differences in the workplace though (at least for professional office work). I think basic professionalism is based on ignoring our differences for the sake of having a sterile "just the facts" meritocratic environment conducive to business. giving the guy every possible benefit of the doubt, I think he's just guilty of being unprofessional, not misogynist. he's also guilty of being stupid for not realizing this was a minefield in the first place and walking right into it without being extremely careful with his phrasing and more sensitive to mainstream points of view. I can get behind firing him for being unprofessional/stupid, but I feel bad for him for the amount of negative press he's getting.